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11-06-2010, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
How did we ever fly airplanes until you came along to show us how?
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Must you always make such a fool of yourself?
Carl
Carl
It's kinda a fair question. Everything Nosmo listed as a problem never happened before the merger. How come it worked fine before but now seems broke? After all, IT is now run by xNWA people and they were the ones who mashed the systems together.
11-06-2010, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
I'm was assuming that he was going to qualification training not CQ. Section 4.C exception 4 applies to the days prior to going to qual training (pro rata portion of the ALV). I believe this section applies once he is in qual training (Sec 11.B):
This is why I said he should get paid the ALV for the month.
Denny
B. Pay and Credit
1. Qualification Training
a. A regular pilot, while assigned to qualification training:
1) will be paid and credited the greater of (or at his option, on a bid period to bid
period basis, either of):
a) rotations removed during periods of continuous training to:
i. accommodate travel between his base and his training location when such
training is conducted away from his base, and/or
ii. accommodate such training, and/or
iii. eliminate an FAR or PWA conflict that arises because of such training,
or
b) pro rata portion of the ALV at the rate of the highest paying aircraft model
shown on his line for each training day.1. Qualification Training
a. A regular pilot, while assigned to qualification training:
1) will be paid and credited the greater of (or at his option, on a bid period to bid
period basis, either of):
a) rotations removed during periods of continuous training to:
i. accommodate travel between his base and his training location when such
training is conducted away from his base, and/or
ii. accommodate such training, and/or
iii. eliminate an FAR or PWA conflict that arises because of such training,
or
b) pro rata portion of the ALV at the rate of the highest paying aircraft model
This is why I said he should get paid the ALV for the month.
Denny
11-06-2010, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
It's kinda a fair question. Everything Nosmo listed as a problem never happened before the merger. How come it worked fine before but now seems broke? After all, IT is now run by xNWA people and they were the ones who mashed the systems together.
Our management is struggling to find solutions. Nosmo is offering some up...as is a lot of us former NWA guys. I'm pleased to hear that management might be listening - despite your seeming desire to stay with the way it's always been done.
Carl
11-06-2010, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Because now it's broken. Not my opinion, it's the opinion of upper management as they struggle with procedures to help our current problem of on-time arrivals, fuel overburns, large fuel underburns resulting in carrying too much fuel and not enough payload (emphasis on "pay"), etc.
Our management is struggling to find solutions. Nosmo is offering some up...as is a lot of us former NWA guys. I'm pleased to hear that management might be listening - despite your seeming desire to stay with the way it's always been done.
Carl
Our management is struggling to find solutions. Nosmo is offering some up...as is a lot of us former NWA guys. I'm pleased to hear that management might be listening - despite your seeming desire to stay with the way it's always been done.
Carl
You started in the right direction, and strayed off course. I think most of the questions come from how something that worked so well and so efficiently all of a sudden doesn't work well anymore.
I believe the answer lies more in the integration fumbling than in the actual program itself. We've got stuff that works great with the square peg. Ya'll use a circle peg. They both worked great. Now we're trying to take said square peg and put it in the circular hole. Similar would have happened for vice versa.
Regardless, let's not go down that idiotic road again and look ahead to the future to the next gen technology that is coming. It's assinine to continue to argue the merits of either.
11-06-2010, 07:54 PM
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Lots of airlines flew to lots of places using several systems.
I guess what I'm saying is I'm excited about getting things better than any of us had premerger. Life and work get easier..........the company makes money so we all make more money.
I guess what I'm saying is I'm excited about getting things better than any of us had premerger. Life and work get easier..........the company makes money so we all make more money.
11-06-2010, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
Lots of airlines flew to lots of places using several systems.
I guess what I'm saying is I'm excited about getting things better than any of us had premerger. Life and work get easier..........the company makes money so we all make more money.
I guess what I'm saying is I'm excited about getting things better than any of us had premerger. Life and work get easier..........the company makes money so we all make more money.
Spot on, Ferd! Flew in and out of DTW all this trip... sure brought back a lot of memories. I wonder why we don't have the nice boarding screens up there yet.
11-06-2010, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by satchip
Well FTB and Beer and any other Auburn people out there, LSU just handed you a clear path to the National Championship. I think your chances of winning the Iron Bowl just went up exponentially. Win that and you should be crowned champs.
I'll cheer vigorously for bama but I think this may be your year. Don't screw it up.
I'll cheer vigorously for bama but I think this may be your year. Don't screw it up.
11-06-2010, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Because now it's broken. Not my opinion, it's the opinion of upper management as they struggle with procedures to help our current problem of on-time arrivals, fuel overburns, large fuel underburns resulting in carrying too much fuel and not enough payload (emphasis on "pay"), etc.
Our management is struggling to find solutions. Nosmo is offering some up...as is a lot of us former NWA guys. I'm pleased to hear that management might be listening - despite your seeming desire to stay with the way it's always been done.
Carl
Our management is struggling to find solutions. Nosmo is offering some up...as is a lot of us former NWA guys. I'm pleased to hear that management might be listening - despite your seeming desire to stay with the way it's always been done.
Carl
I'm all for improving things around here. I just tire of the "Your way sucks" tinged comments. Just like I'm sure you are. Neither way sucks, they both worked just fine for each pre merger company. With a new entity however, new ways are needed.
If Nosmo, or anyone, has an idea, then it needs to be addressed to those responsible for creating the mess. That would be management. You know, the former NWA managers you keep warning us about that took over the company.
I guess all I'm saying is that it's the delivery style used here to present ideas. You might want to work on that. And yes, I'll go take a comprehension class now!
11-06-2010, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
I was right with you, right up to the personal barb at the end. Just can't get the message across without adding those in, huh?
I'm all for improving things around here. I just tire of the "Your way sucks" tinged comments. Just like I'm sure you are. Neither way sucks, they both worked just fine for each pre merger company. With a new entity however, new ways are needed.
If Nosmo, or anyone, has an idea, then it needs to be addressed to those responsible for creating the mess. That would be management. You know, the former NWA managers you keep warning us about that took over the company.
I guess all I'm saying is that it's the delivery style used here to present ideas. You might want to work on that. And yes, I'll go take a comprehension class now!
I'm all for improving things around here. I just tire of the "Your way sucks" tinged comments. Just like I'm sure you are. Neither way sucks, they both worked just fine for each pre merger company. With a new entity however, new ways are needed.
If Nosmo, or anyone, has an idea, then it needs to be addressed to those responsible for creating the mess. That would be management. You know, the former NWA managers you keep warning us about that took over the company.
I guess all I'm saying is that it's the delivery style used here to present ideas. You might want to work on that. And yes, I'll go take a comprehension class now!
11-06-2010, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
I was right with you, right up to the personal barb at the end. Just can't get the message across without adding those in, huh?
I'm all for improving things around here. I just tire of the "Your way sucks" tinged comments. Just like I'm sure you are. Neither way sucks, they both worked just fine for each pre merger company. With a new entity however, new ways are needed.
If Nosmo, or anyone, has an idea, then it needs to be addressed to those responsible for creating the mess. That would be management. You know, the former NWA managers you keep warning us about that took over the company.
I guess all I'm saying is that it's the delivery style used here to present ideas. You might want to work on that. And yes, I'll go take a comprehension class now!
I'm all for improving things around here. I just tire of the "Your way sucks" tinged comments. Just like I'm sure you are. Neither way sucks, they both worked just fine for each pre merger company. With a new entity however, new ways are needed.
If Nosmo, or anyone, has an idea, then it needs to be addressed to those responsible for creating the mess. That would be management. You know, the former NWA managers you keep warning us about that took over the company.
I guess all I'm saying is that it's the delivery style used here to present ideas. You might want to work on that. And yes, I'll go take a comprehension class now!
My post on this subject was not tinged with a "your way sucks" tone. You are way too sensitive to be reading that in to it. The guy was slamming Nosmo for bringing up his opinion of the fNWA technology and software. The response was defensive and unresponsive.
I don't think the obvious problems with our current technology has anything to do with the integration. It doesn't work with the same pilots, planes and bases (think ATL) that were here before the integration. Now we have this new AWABS after pushback procedure as a band-aid fix to the larger problem of an overly complex portrayal of performance data. Many fDAL pilots have said the same thing about this new process - even calling it an embarrassment. Why is it that the fDAL guys can speak their minds, but the fNWA are chastised if they try?
I know this will not go anywhere with you because I didn't deliver it in a heart shaped box of candy, but what the heck.
Carl
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