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11-06-2010, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
You are trying to reason with a guy who thinks that the TSA turns a blind eye when airport employees set off the security alarm and are allowed to just continue on despite setting off the security alarm. The funny/sad part is that he is convinced he is right. Don't bother with this guy as all he does is spouts off nonsense. He might even resort to correcting your spelling if he has nothing valid to counter with.
You'll learn to let what Carl says roll off your shoulder around here. He's very opinionated and very senior, but he does have a strong fight in him for scope (small jet and codeshare), so his heart is at least in the rigth place.
11-06-2010, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
You are trying to reason with a guy who thinks that the TSA turns a blind eye when airport employees set off the security alarm and are allowed to just continue on despite setting off the security alarm. The funny/sad part is that he is convinced he is right. Don't bother with this guy as all he does is spouts off nonsense. He might even resort to correcting your spelling if he has nothing valid to counter with.
Carl
11-06-2010, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Nosmo King
I've talked to several in person. The "rumor mill" had lots of stuff, most of it unverifiable BY ME.
You can get sports scores for your passengers by sending an ACARS message to ATL Radio at a specific TTY address (not posting it here). fNW aircraft do NOT have the Scores template built into ACARS.
You can get sports scores for your passengers by sending an ACARS message to ATL Radio at a specific TTY address (not posting it here). fNW aircraft do NOT have the Scores template built into ACARS.
11-06-2010, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Oh for crying out loud Nancy, are you really that tender?
My post on this subject was not tinged with a "your way sucks" tone. You are way too sensitive to be reading that in to it. The guy was slamming Nosmo for bringing up his opinion of the fNWA technology and software. The response was defensive and unresponsive.
I don't think the obvious problems with our current technology has anything to do with the integration. It doesn't work with the same pilots, planes and bases (think ATL) that were here before the integration. Now we have this new AWABS after pushback procedure as a band-aid fix to the larger problem of an overly complex portrayal of performance data. Many fDAL pilots have said the same thing about this new process - even calling it an embarrassment. Why is it that the fDAL guys can speak their minds, but the fNWA are chastised if they try?
I know this will not go anywhere with you because I didn't deliver it in a heart shaped box of candy, but what the heck.
Carl
My post on this subject was not tinged with a "your way sucks" tone. You are way too sensitive to be reading that in to it. The guy was slamming Nosmo for bringing up his opinion of the fNWA technology and software. The response was defensive and unresponsive.
I don't think the obvious problems with our current technology has anything to do with the integration. It doesn't work with the same pilots, planes and bases (think ATL) that were here before the integration. Now we have this new AWABS after pushback procedure as a band-aid fix to the larger problem of an overly complex portrayal of performance data. Many fDAL pilots have said the same thing about this new process - even calling it an embarrassment. Why is it that the fDAL guys can speak their minds, but the fNWA are chastised if they try?
I know this will not go anywhere with you because I didn't deliver it in a heart shaped box of candy, but what the heck.
Carl
You missed the boat again. The procedures and systems worked great before the merger at DAL... What you now see is a hodgepodge-thrown-together integration trying to get a quick SOC. Now we're going back behind having to clean up all the sawdust.
Even Dickson fought the new AWABS procedure. It's what happens when senior management desk drivers stick their fingers in flight operations after getting fed up with ACS complaining about not being able to get flights out on time. My impression is that once this fails miserably, then we will be able to do what we really need to do with the procedures. Don't believe they kool-aid that it's working fine in the memos... they know that it is jacked up.
11-06-2010, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
You are trying to reason with a guy who thinks that the TSA turns a blind eye when airport employees set off the security alarm and are allowed to just continue on despite setting off the security alarm. The funny/sad part is that he is convinced he is right. Don't bother with this guy as all he does is spouts off nonsense. He might even resort to correcting your spelling if he has nothing valid to counter with.
Just sayin'
11-06-2010, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
You missed the boat again. The procedures and systems worked great before the merger at DAL... What you now see is a hodgepodge-thrown-together integration trying to get a quick SOC. Now we're going back behind having to clean up all the sawdust.
So I'll state it again: If the old AWABS system worked so flawlessly before the merger, why is it broken now even at bases, planes and pilots that were identical before the merger? Could it be that the system was badly flawed before as well as after? That was my point. If I'm still missing the boat, I trust you'll let me know.
Carl
11-06-2010, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog
Neither here nor there, but at shift change today I watched the entire security screening line be stopped so 10 or so new screeners could walk through the metal detector to report to work. Every single one of them triggered the alarm. Not one was rescreened in any way.
Just sayin'
Just sayin'
Carl
11-06-2010, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
We do? There's not a single thing left of the way we operated at NWA. Not paperwork, manuals, flight plans, performance...nothing. What hodgepodge integration could there be when you don't integrate anything of the other company? The AWABS system that we fNWA guys all learned was the same AWABS system you guys were using before the merger. Our training memos stated that clearly along with telling us how great it works. After the merger, that SAME SYSTEM was so jacked up, that management has gone to this new band-aid to fix the bad on time arrival statistics.
So I'll state it again: If the old AWABS system worked so flawlessly before the merger, why is it broken now even at bases, planes and pilots that were identical before the merger? Could it be that the system was badly flawed before as well as after? That was my point. If I'm still missing the boat, I trust you'll let me know.
Carl
So I'll state it again: If the old AWABS system worked so flawlessly before the merger, why is it broken now even at bases, planes and pilots that were identical before the merger? Could it be that the system was badly flawed before as well as after? That was my point. If I'm still missing the boat, I trust you'll let me know.
Carl
Yep, still missing the boat. It is in no way the same stuff we used before the merger... My manuals were all sorts of different colors after the integration process was complete due to all the changes to them.
You are correct that it is mostly former DAL stuff with NWA stuff mixed in as well as some new stuff. The integration with the former NWA planes, pilots, gate agents (along with them learning the system) has been relatively smooth but still a wreck in the final product.
The old AWABS worked fantastic... still did right up until the change to push without WDR with the former DAL crews combined with former DAL gate agents. With the mixing of groups it became more and more a mess due to lack of training, lack of reception to change, and assumptions that non fDAL would make the same assumptions that we used to naturaly do due to long accepted techniques.
Having used MGL extensively prior to using the "pure" DAL AWABS, I vastly preferred AWABS.
11-07-2010, 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
We do? There's not a single thing left of the way we operated at NWA. Not paperwork, manuals, flight plans, performance...nothing. What hodgepodge integration could there be when you don't integrate anything of the other company? The AWABS system that we fNWA guys all learned was the same AWABS system you guys were using before the merger. Our training memos stated that clearly along with telling us how great it works. After the merger, that SAME SYSTEM was so jacked up, that management has gone to this new band-aid to fix the bad on time arrival statistics.
So I'll state it again: If the old AWABS system worked so flawlessly before the merger, why is it broken now even at bases, planes and pilots that were identical before the merger? Could it be that the system was badly flawed before as well as after? That was my point. If I'm still missing the boat, I trust you'll let me know.
Carl
So I'll state it again: If the old AWABS system worked so flawlessly before the merger, why is it broken now even at bases, planes and pilots that were identical before the merger? Could it be that the system was badly flawed before as well as after? That was my point. If I'm still missing the boat, I trust you'll let me know.
Carl
I think that the old NWA way of blocking out where the main cabin door/parking brake generated the out time would solve the new AWAB issue. Plus DAL on time performance could easily be improved
11-07-2010, 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
Lots of airlines flew to lots of places using several systems.
I guess what I'm saying is I'm excited about getting things better than any of us had premerger. Life and work get easier..........the company makes money so we all make more money.
I guess what I'm saying is I'm excited about getting things better than any of us had premerger. Life and work get easier..........the company makes money so we all make more money.
+1
As has been stated NWA's former head of IT is in charge of that here at DAL. She is a phenom, and given what I have heard, we will see great things from her and her department in the next few years.
In this day and age, technology drives the product. Everyone knows that. If it makes us a better airline, I could care less where it came from.
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