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Old 11-07-2010, 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler View Post
We do? There's not a single thing left of the way we operated at NWA. Not paperwork, manuals, flight plans, performance...nothing. What hodgepodge integration could there be when you don't integrate anything of the other company? The AWABS system that we fNWA guys all learned was the same AWABS system you guys were using before the merger. Our training memos stated that clearly along with telling us how great it works. After the merger, that SAME SYSTEM was so jacked up, that management has gone to this new band-aid to fix the bad on time arrival statistics.

So I'll state it again: If the old AWABS system worked so flawlessly before the merger, why is it broken now even at bases, planes and pilots that were identical before the merger? Could it be that the system was badly flawed before as well as after? That was my point. If I'm still missing the boat, I trust you'll let me know.

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Do you not read the weekly "Flying Operations" publications? They have stated many times that there were over 300 items that they were going to go back over after they achieved SOC. Many of those items were things they liked that NWA had. Like I have said before, give em a chance to put their heads up to make sure the boat is going in the correct direction before delving in to more of these tasks. Failing to do so could result in more issues being created rather than fixed.
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Old 11-07-2010, 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by nerd2009 View Post
I think that the old NWA way of blocking out where the main cabin door/parking brake generated the out time would solve the new AWAB issue. Plus DAL on time performance could easily be improved

And the MEC approved a resolution seeking the Negotiating Committee engage the company on this item. That means that your union agrees with you.
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Old 11-07-2010, 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler View Post
We do? There's not a single thing left of the way we operated at NWA. Not paperwork, manuals, flight plans, performance...nothing. What hodgepodge integration could there be when you don't integrate anything of the other company? The AWABS system that we fNWA guys all learned was the same AWABS system you guys were using before the merger. Our training memos stated that clearly along with telling us how great it works. After the merger, that SAME SYSTEM was so jacked up, that management has gone to this new band-aid to fix the bad on time arrival statistics.

So I'll state it again: If the old AWABS system worked so flawlessly before the merger, why is it broken now even at bases, planes and pilots that were identical before the merger? Could it be that the system was badly flawed before as well as after? That was my point. If I'm still missing the boat, I trust you'll let me know.

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Actually Carl, there's a new preface that has all kinds of previously unavailable stuff on it. You can get it when the flt plan is available - I do not remember the code to get it.. Also, the Gates -at least DTW - prints out 2 of everything. For me, its too much ppwk. And, I think you'll get very little arguement from DALS folks that the int'l flt plan is oddly formatted.

I look forward to a new best of everything system. The bulletins and procedural changes are beginning to leave my pea brain in the dust. I know it isnt what you folks had to go thru- with training by memo- but my brain is smaller or there is just less room in it.

Just a complete side note here - commuted up to DTW the other day in the back row of a -9. No kidding, when we touched down, I didnt know it - until the reversers went out - its pretty loud back there. I just wonder if I had a NewK sighting.
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Old 11-07-2010, 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by nerd2009 View Post
I think that the old NWA way of blocking out where the main cabin door/parking brake generated the out time would solve the new AWAB issue. Plus DAL on time performance could easily be improved
DING DING DING DING

Reality gave us a choice: "on time and pay the crew a couple bucks" ~OR~ "late, waiting on ramp congestion." It selected "save a couple of bucks and on time."

All that was accomplished was to remove the effect of one department entering in "late completion of checklists" and another department having to answer "no we weren't." Now management meetings have been shortened by 3 minutes on average and the survey says the coffee tastes better.

I really don't care, if they pay me to read the checklist while balancing a Biscoff on my nose and clapping ... OK. They own the jet.
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Old 11-07-2010, 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1 View Post
Just a complete side note here - commuted up to DTW the other day in the back row of a -9. No kidding, when we touched down, I didnt know it - until the reversers went out - its pretty loud back there. I just wonder if I had a NewK sighting.
Command bug set to max speed before Captain gets angry, back it off a knot to keep the peace ... works on the 88 too.

The Boeing jets actually have effective wings and high lift devices removing the need for the Douglas work around to gain sufficient lift.
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Old 11-07-2010, 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo View Post
How did we ever fly airplanes until you came along to show us how?
We weren't trying to fly French airplanes. We ended up with a couple once, but we sold them, kept the pilots and tried to forget the nightmare of AirBi product support.

TLAR works pretty well, based on experience. (no offense to any Air Force pilots, "yes Sir, we really do need to calculate crosswind component and brief it an hour before the landing, then debrief, write an opinion piece for the Chief Line Check Airman and study the appendix to Vol II, it really IS great you went to "the" Academy and some how work that into every briefing, twice")

Jeesh, I need to get off the web board before I get myself into trouble here.

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Old 11-07-2010, 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp View Post
The old AWABS worked fantastic... still did right up until the change to push without WDR
If the old AWABS worked so fantastic, why did we need to change to pushing without AWABS? The answer is obvious. The old AWABS didn't work. It was killing on time performance BEFORE employee integration. That's why management felt like they needed to make this change after integration. It's really quite simple...if the old AWABS worked "fantastic", we would still be using it.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp View Post
Having used MGL extensively prior to using the "pure" DAL AWABS, I vastly preferred AWABS.
I couldn't disagree more. AWABS is an embarrassing easter egg hunt for information. Totally scattered and disorganized. Topping it all off by manually entering V speeds even though the FMC is totally capable of doing it automatically. MGL was perfectly organized, gave you only the information that you needed and none of what you don't, and was so easy that crews could input all data quickly and safely while taxiing out. This is because we allowed the FMC software to work the way it was designed.

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Old 11-07-2010, 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1 View Post
I look forward to a new best of everything system. The bulletins and procedural changes are beginning to leave my pea brain in the dust. I know it isnt what you folks had to go thru- with training by memo- but my brain is smaller or there is just less room in it.
Me too brother...me too!

Originally Posted by scambo1 View Post
Just a complete side note here - commuted up to DTW the other day in the back row of a -9. No kidding, when we touched down, I didnt know it - until the reversers went out - its pretty loud back there. I just wonder if I had a NewK sighting.
It could have been. I hear he is THE man!

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Old 11-07-2010, 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar View Post
We weren't trying to fly French airplanes. We ended up with a couple once, but we sold them, kept the pilots and tried to forget the nightmare of AirBi product support.

TLAR works pretty well, based on experience. (no offense to any Air Force pilots, "yes Sir, we really do need to calculate crosswind component and brief it an hour before the landing, then debrief, write an opinion piece for the Chief Line Check Airman and study the appendix to Vol II, it really IS great you went to "the" Academy and some how work that into every briefing, twice")

Jeesh, I need to get off the web board before I get myself into trouble here.
Too late. But that was damn funny!

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Old 11-07-2010, 06:32 AM
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I've always been amazed with both sides when we get into these discussions. In general, a pilot will be the LAST guy to say, "That's the way it's always been done, leave it alone". Until you start talking about their "stuff", then you get "it ain't broke, leave it alone".

AWABS is an easter egg hunt. FPS (just like MGL and World Flight) is like an old house in serious need of paint. But, we appear to have money, lets get siding AND redo the bath and kitchen while we're at it.

fNWA guys ain't the enemy, we just want to push the easy button again...........and we want to share the easy button.

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