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We do? There's not a single thing left of the way we operated at NWA. Not paperwork, manuals, flight plans, performance...nothing. What hodgepodge integration could there be when you don't integrate anything of the other company? The AWABS system that we fNWA guys all learned was the same AWABS system you guys were using before the merger. Our training memos stated that clearly along with telling us how great it works. After the merger, that SAME SYSTEM was so jacked up, that management has gone to this new band-aid to fix the bad on time arrival statistics.
So I'll state it again: If the old AWABS system worked so flawlessly before the merger, why is it broken now even at bases, planes and pilots that were identical before the merger? Could it be that the system was badly flawed before as well as after? That was my point. If I'm still missing the boat, I trust you'll let me know.
Carl
So I'll state it again: If the old AWABS system worked so flawlessly before the merger, why is it broken now even at bases, planes and pilots that were identical before the merger? Could it be that the system was badly flawed before as well as after? That was my point. If I'm still missing the boat, I trust you'll let me know.
Carl
And the MEC approved a resolution seeking the Negotiating Committee engage the company on this item. That means that your union agrees with you.
We do? There's not a single thing left of the way we operated at NWA. Not paperwork, manuals, flight plans, performance...nothing. What hodgepodge integration could there be when you don't integrate anything of the other company? The AWABS system that we fNWA guys all learned was the same AWABS system you guys were using before the merger. Our training memos stated that clearly along with telling us how great it works. After the merger, that SAME SYSTEM was so jacked up, that management has gone to this new band-aid to fix the bad on time arrival statistics.
So I'll state it again: If the old AWABS system worked so flawlessly before the merger, why is it broken now even at bases, planes and pilots that were identical before the merger? Could it be that the system was badly flawed before as well as after? That was my point. If I'm still missing the boat, I trust you'll let me know.
Carl
So I'll state it again: If the old AWABS system worked so flawlessly before the merger, why is it broken now even at bases, planes and pilots that were identical before the merger? Could it be that the system was badly flawed before as well as after? That was my point. If I'm still missing the boat, I trust you'll let me know.
Carl
I look forward to a new best of everything system. The bulletins and procedural changes are beginning to leave my pea brain in the dust. I know it isnt what you folks had to go thru- with training by memo- but my brain is smaller or there is just less room in it.
Just a complete side note here - commuted up to DTW the other day in the back row of a -9. No kidding, when we touched down, I didnt know it - until the reversers went out - its pretty loud back there. I just wonder if I had a NewK sighting.
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Reality gave us a choice: "on time and pay the crew a couple bucks" ~OR~ "late, waiting on ramp congestion." It selected "save a couple of bucks and on time."
All that was accomplished was to remove the effect of one department entering in "late completion of checklists" and another department having to answer "no we weren't." Now management meetings have been shortened by 3 minutes on average and the survey says the coffee tastes better.
I really don't care, if they pay me to read the checklist while balancing a Biscoff on my nose and clapping ... OK. They own the jet.
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The Boeing jets actually have effective wings and high lift devices removing the need for the Douglas work around to gain sufficient lift.
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We weren't trying to fly French airplanes. We ended up with a couple once, but we sold them, kept the pilots and tried to forget the nightmare of AirBi product support.
TLAR works pretty well, based on experience. (no offense to any Air Force pilots, "yes Sir, we really do need to calculate crosswind component and brief it an hour before the landing, then debrief, write an opinion piece for the Chief Line Check Airman and study the appendix to Vol II, it really IS great you went to "the" Academy and some how work that into every briefing, twice")
Jeesh, I need to get off the web board before I get myself into trouble here.
TLAR works pretty well, based on experience. (no offense to any Air Force pilots, "yes Sir, we really do need to calculate crosswind component and brief it an hour before the landing, then debrief, write an opinion piece for the Chief Line Check Airman and study the appendix to Vol II, it really IS great you went to "the" Academy and some how work that into every briefing, twice")
Jeesh, I need to get off the web board before I get myself into trouble here.
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Carl
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We weren't trying to fly French airplanes. We ended up with a couple once, but we sold them, kept the pilots and tried to forget the nightmare of AirBi product support.
TLAR works pretty well, based on experience. (no offense to any Air Force pilots, "yes Sir, we really do need to calculate crosswind component and brief it an hour before the landing, then debrief, write an opinion piece for the Chief Line Check Airman and study the appendix to Vol II, it really IS great you went to "the" Academy and some how work that into every briefing, twice")
Jeesh, I need to get off the web board before I get myself into trouble here.
TLAR works pretty well, based on experience. (no offense to any Air Force pilots, "yes Sir, we really do need to calculate crosswind component and brief it an hour before the landing, then debrief, write an opinion piece for the Chief Line Check Airman and study the appendix to Vol II, it really IS great you went to "the" Academy and some how work that into every briefing, twice")
Jeesh, I need to get off the web board before I get myself into trouble here.
Carl
I've always been amazed with both sides when we get into these discussions. In general, a pilot will be the LAST guy to say, "That's the way it's always been done, leave it alone". Until you start talking about their "stuff", then you get "it ain't broke, leave it alone".
AWABS is an easter egg hunt. FPS (just like MGL and World Flight) is like an old house in serious need of paint. But, we appear to have money, lets get siding AND redo the bath and kitchen while we're at it.
fNWA guys ain't the enemy, we just want to push the easy button again...........and we want to share the easy button.
Ferd
AWABS is an easter egg hunt. FPS (just like MGL and World Flight) is like an old house in serious need of paint. But, we appear to have money, lets get siding AND redo the bath and kitchen while we're at it.
fNWA guys ain't the enemy, we just want to push the easy button again...........and we want to share the easy button.
Ferd
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