Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
11-13-2010 | 08:11 PM
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From: Light Chop
Here is the thing about Auburn, for 2 years now I've watched players score and then scramble to hand the ball over to the ref's. They have had the fear of God put in them about not handing the ball over and running to the sideline. The defense however is being taught to intimidate. To be like an Earnhardt Sr. on the race track. It is what it is. It's not traditional Auburn ball but if every QB knows Fairley is out for your skull it messes with you. Also, a chop block can really motivate a player.
But think about it, if you see Ray Lewis coming at ya, whether it be on the field or in a night club in ATL, wouldn't you get scared?
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I know a UGA guy that walked out of the LSU stadium a few years ago after UGA lost to LSU and he was still punched in the back of the head and hadn't said a word to nobody. I also remember losing to LSU in Auburn and having an LSU group of fans walk by and say "sorry for what's coming behind us." And it was pretty sorry, but whoever that first dude was he was classy. There are all types.
But I'd take SEC fans over those who burn and trash their city win or lose.
11-13-2010 | 08:17 PM
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finis,
Forgive me. But, where in the world does hockey's dreams of ALPA decertification lead you to bring the conversation to a "disgruntled NW Pilots" vs. "the silent majority at Delta" discussion? We haven't been in that place for at least a few pages, so you can keep your opinion.
Sailing,
Yep? Give it a rest. (Disgruntled) North v. (Silent Majority) South is dead. With this issue, there is no yep.
Forgive me. But, where in the world does hockey's dreams of ALPA decertification lead you to bring the conversation to a "disgruntled NW Pilots" vs. "the silent majority at Delta" discussion? We haven't been in that place for at least a few pages, so you can keep your opinion.
Sailing,
Yep? Give it a rest. (Disgruntled) North v. (Silent Majority) South is dead. With this issue, there is no yep.
11-13-2010 | 08:29 PM
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Want CREWPASS give here, want 8 hrs of block in a day, give here, and the list goes on and on. If they said go pound sand, the decision would be made without a rational voice on your behalf sitting at the table and the end result would be that we would see no gains in any of these areas. Now I know which process will move the profession farther down the field and it is the one I support. I just hope many can stop for a second and see that this is exactly what is going on. Like it or not, it is the world we live in.
alpa has no teeth. Is that what you are saying?
11-13-2010 | 08:33 PM
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I think you are correct.
Carry that thought one step further...
DALPA separates from ALPA and morphs into something called DPA. This would likely result in UCAL doing the same thing. Now all the major airlines are aligned with CAPA.
ALPA has to change because now it is roughly a regional only (exc Fedex) union. However, ALPA also can provide fee for service specialized business unit (aeromed, etc). CAPA is the voice of Majors, ALPA is the voice of regionals. The conflict of interest is gone almost overnight and now you have two power houses that have to work in the best interests of their constituents.
They also have to work together on areas of mutual interest.
How is this bad?
Carry that thought one step further...
DALPA separates from ALPA and morphs into something called DPA. This would likely result in UCAL doing the same thing. Now all the major airlines are aligned with CAPA.
ALPA has to change because now it is roughly a regional only (exc Fedex) union. However, ALPA also can provide fee for service specialized business unit (aeromed, etc). CAPA is the voice of Majors, ALPA is the voice of regionals. The conflict of interest is gone almost overnight and now you have two power houses that have to work in the best interests of their constituents.
They also have to work together on areas of mutual interest.
How is this bad?
11-13-2010 | 08:37 PM
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From: Light Chop
A project for those of you with too much time on your hands.
Feel free to add your own versions.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++
On the first day of Christmas my union gave to me, a paycut in bankrupt-cy.
On the second day of Christmas my union gave to me, two years lost seniority and a paycut in bankruptcy.
On the third day of Christmas my union gave to me, three dropped grievances
On the fourth day of Christmas my union gave to me, four "received" resolutions
On the fifth day of Christmas my union gave to me, Age Sixty Five!!
On the sixth day of Christmas my union gave to me, six transition phases.
On the seventh day of Christmas my union gave to me, seven segment days
On the eight day of Christmas, my union gave to me, eight short calls
On the ninth day of Christmas my union gave to me, nine hours unaugmented
On the tenth day of Christmas my union gave to me, ten finger pat downs
On the eleventh day of Christmas my union gave to me, eleven RJ codeshares
On the twelfth day of Christmas my union gave to me, twelve parked freighters.
Feel free to add your own versions.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++
On the first day of Christmas my union gave to me, a paycut in bankrupt-cy.
On the second day of Christmas my union gave to me, two years lost seniority and a paycut in bankruptcy.
On the third day of Christmas my union gave to me, three dropped grievances
On the fourth day of Christmas my union gave to me, four "received" resolutions
On the fifth day of Christmas my union gave to me, Age Sixty Five!!
On the sixth day of Christmas my union gave to me, six transition phases.
On the seventh day of Christmas my union gave to me, seven segment days
On the eight day of Christmas, my union gave to me, eight short calls
On the ninth day of Christmas my union gave to me, nine hours unaugmented
On the tenth day of Christmas my union gave to me, ten finger pat downs
On the eleventh day of Christmas my union gave to me, eleven RJ codeshares
On the twelfth day of Christmas my union gave to me, twelve parked freighters.
11-13-2010 | 08:38 PM
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Every time we get into contract negotiations, some buttwipe from corporate communications will issue a press release basically saying that all pilots make a million dollars an hour and only work one day a month. When a typical pilot reads this press release he:
A. Starts crying to his mommy and capitulates immediately
B. Gets more upset and hardens his stance against the company
I mention this only to illustrate that trying to embarrass people in public rarely is successful in changing their mind and almost always will have the opposite effect than is intended.
This leads us to the conflict between the real world populated by adults and by the temper tantrum throwing webboard crowd that more than anything want to emote their feelings in public. (doesn't Dr. Phil have a show for that? Oprah?) In the real world, if you are trying to influence people you have adopt a strategy that will actually work, rather than one that just allows you to emote. Now we all know that throwing a public tantrum is quite satisfying for a few minutes, and for the most ignorant among us it will satisfy their needs totally, but if you embarrass people in public, you better have some other leverage to affect them or you better just go home and quit trying. In the case of a government agency, you have no leverage other than to use the power of persuasion and influence to try to get them to amend their decisions. Once you blow them up in public you might as well talk to the wall.
So we have unions like USAPA, that is considered a giant joke by everyone except themselves, that is able to blow up the TSA in public and then they get to go home because they no longer have any influence at all. Yippee for them, the webboard crowd goes crazy with applause.
Now back to the real world that is populated by adults. If you want to retain influence, you have to avoid the cheap and easy route that is used by USAPA, and you have to continue to try to stay in the game. That means you do not get to trash people in public you have to try to work through the system. That is what ALPA is doing in this issue with the scanners and that is what they have been doing for years. As the only representative of pilots that has any real influence in Washington, they have to act like adults and let the children have their tantrums and walk away.
In the case of Crew Pass, it was ALPA that introduced legislation mandating that the TSA conduct real world tests of the Crew Pass system. It was ALPA that set up the Crew Pass system tests. When the one vendor chosen for the system tests tried to jack up their prices thinking they had a monopoly, it was ALPA that sponsored a vendors conference to force competition in the system and lowered the price by over 20 fold. Now ALPA has gotten the TSA to approve system wide implementation of Crew Pass, and it is now on ALPA's shoulders to find a way to fund it. Where has USAPA, APA, SWAPA, IBT, and the rest been in all of this? AWOL. It is amazing that the only union that has done anything at all on this issue is now tarred because they don't decide to throw a baby temper tantrum and derail the whole process. Really, are you guys in kindergarten or did you actually graduate from college? Sometimes, the brainlessness exhibited here amazes me.
Once again, I write this not to debate the few children that populate this board but the normal thinking adults and those that may come here to read and never post.
A. Starts crying to his mommy and capitulates immediately
B. Gets more upset and hardens his stance against the company
I mention this only to illustrate that trying to embarrass people in public rarely is successful in changing their mind and almost always will have the opposite effect than is intended.
This leads us to the conflict between the real world populated by adults and by the temper tantrum throwing webboard crowd that more than anything want to emote their feelings in public. (doesn't Dr. Phil have a show for that? Oprah?) In the real world, if you are trying to influence people you have adopt a strategy that will actually work, rather than one that just allows you to emote. Now we all know that throwing a public tantrum is quite satisfying for a few minutes, and for the most ignorant among us it will satisfy their needs totally, but if you embarrass people in public, you better have some other leverage to affect them or you better just go home and quit trying. In the case of a government agency, you have no leverage other than to use the power of persuasion and influence to try to get them to amend their decisions. Once you blow them up in public you might as well talk to the wall.
So we have unions like USAPA, that is considered a giant joke by everyone except themselves, that is able to blow up the TSA in public and then they get to go home because they no longer have any influence at all. Yippee for them, the webboard crowd goes crazy with applause.
Now back to the real world that is populated by adults. If you want to retain influence, you have to avoid the cheap and easy route that is used by USAPA, and you have to continue to try to stay in the game. That means you do not get to trash people in public you have to try to work through the system. That is what ALPA is doing in this issue with the scanners and that is what they have been doing for years. As the only representative of pilots that has any real influence in Washington, they have to act like adults and let the children have their tantrums and walk away.
In the case of Crew Pass, it was ALPA that introduced legislation mandating that the TSA conduct real world tests of the Crew Pass system. It was ALPA that set up the Crew Pass system tests. When the one vendor chosen for the system tests tried to jack up their prices thinking they had a monopoly, it was ALPA that sponsored a vendors conference to force competition in the system and lowered the price by over 20 fold. Now ALPA has gotten the TSA to approve system wide implementation of Crew Pass, and it is now on ALPA's shoulders to find a way to fund it. Where has USAPA, APA, SWAPA, IBT, and the rest been in all of this? AWOL. It is amazing that the only union that has done anything at all on this issue is now tarred because they don't decide to throw a baby temper tantrum and derail the whole process. Really, are you guys in kindergarten or did you actually graduate from college? Sometimes, the brainlessness exhibited here amazes me.
Once again, I write this not to debate the few children that populate this board but the normal thinking adults and those that may come here to read and never post.
11-13-2010 | 08:43 PM
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11-13-2010 | 08:47 PM
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90 Fairley should have been one of them. He took many cheap shots, especially the last when the game was already won. He represents the worst of football. Malicious for no reason. I would be all over his arse if I was his coach.
I hope Murray is ok. He had a great game.
Roll Tide! I'm sure it'll be another great game in the SEC.
I hope Murray is ok. He had a great game.
Roll Tide! I'm sure it'll be another great game in the SEC.
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