Airline Pilot Central Forums - Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

It's not irrelevant - it crazy for an airline to maintain the same level of flights/staffing/aircraft independent of the overall economy. We were lucky that no one got furloughed after the high fuel prices in 2008 and very low yields that hit us in 2009.

I think Delta did the right thing by giving an incentive (too small, in my opinion) to get more retirements. That allowed them to shrink a little without ****ing off the employee groups. As the economy recovers, Delta should grow and hire more pilots and other staff (as they did this year).

We were not lucky to have no pilots furloughed. It was a carefully planned and executed strategy to over time layer in multiple financial penalties if the company were to attempt to furlough. I listened to Lee Moak talk about how to prevent furloughs right after he was elected and he detailed exactly what came to pass. Smart moves by the union prevented the furloughs not luck.

boog123

12-09-2010 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 913533)

Yes, since the date of "Constructive Notice." the number of DCI airframes has fallen by more than 60 jets. I suspect those in 44 will see more about this from their Sec/Tres.

I was referring more to 76 seat and above. It is my assertion that the 76 seat and below market will be a very small segment of the domestic lift by 2020. Keep the line where it is at, and DCI will shrink appreciably.

I think we are down 70 plus mainline airframes since the merger (60 plus DC-9's, 319's and 747-200 while adding only 15ish)

Racer X

12-09-2010 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 913718)

And what did we "give up" to get that protection.

More scope...

No, I should say, what did they give up to get that protection.

More scope because I don't remember getting to vote on it.

Launchpad475

12-09-2010 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 913752)

I think we are down 70 plus mainline airframes since the merger (60 plus DC-9's, 319's and 747-200 while adding only 15ish)

Where'd the 319's go, or are they the one's that we just never got?

just curious

satchip

12-09-2010 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 913718)

Bingo! Every Delta pilot below TK owes his job to Lee Moak. Without this strategy he devised and guided, there would have been furloughs. I'm sure RA also thanks him too. Had they furloughed they would not have been able to catch the traffic recovery wave.

That's why I support DALPA.

scambo1

12-09-2010 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 913491)

The other one is to have the carrier perform less of it flying. (Outsourcing)

Therefore, everyone needs to keep their eye on the ball and not sell one ounce of scope. It is a lot easier for DAL to only train the top end well the bottom end gets handed to DCI. If that does not happen, the need here for pilots becomes great.

Ding ding ding.

Cant overstress enough that progression plus pay rates makes for happy pilots.

sailingfun

12-09-2010 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 913752)

I think we are down 70 plus mainline airframes since the merger (60 plus DC-9's, 319's and 747-200 while adding only 15ish)

We have added as far as I know the following aircraft since the merger. 10 737-700's. Two 737-800's, 2 777's and 33 MD-90's for a total of 47 new airframes. Most of the 49 total MD-90's have not hit the line but will in the next 12 months.

What you are not mentioning however is how many aircraft Delta and NW had in storage. By June all stored aircraft will be back flying. This is another 40 plus airframes. In addition the flying 757 fleet was way under utilized and block hours are up on each airframe. In the end the only thing that matters to pilots is total block hours not airframes.

acl65pilot

12-09-2010 04:20 PM

Sailing, that is correct. I care about block hrs, because that is what is used to staff seats, not ASM's.

reddog25

12-09-2010 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 913836)

By June all stored aircraft will be back flying. This is another 40 plus airframes. In addition the flying 757 fleet was way under utilized and block hours are up on each airframe. In the end the only thing that matters to pilots is total block hours not airframes.

Great news. We're getting our Freighters and DC-9-30s/40s back:cool:

sailingfun

12-09-2010 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by reddog25 (Post 913855)

Great news. We're getting our Freighters and DC-9-30s/40s back:cool:

I referred to aircraft placed in flyable storage for possible return to the line. They will all be back in June. Most are back now.

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