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02-03-2011, 08:36 AM
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Question, CRJ-100 entered service in 1992, didn't it enter service with Comair around 1992 or 1993? Roughly 18 years let's say.
In that 18 years Southwest with not a sjngle flight outsourced to a regional has made a profit every year. Did we do the same?
In that 18 years Southwest with not a sjngle flight outsourced to a regional has made a profit every year. Did we do the same?
02-03-2011, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by DelDah Capt
There were only 116 MD90s ever built and currently only 109 are flying....that includes the 29 Saudi planes with the MD11 avionics. As far as I know, we currently have 19 MD90s actually out on the line. Even if we bought up the entire world fleet, we're not getting '100' more on top of what we already have.
They can get 20 more 70 seaters and they probably will for a total of 62 airframes. That still leaves 38 more jets (58 without the 20 more allowable RJ's) that would need to be announced to hit that 100 mark Ed made today. Yes?
There is not masking that the 70 seater is the 9 replacement, we are talking about overall fleet count from today forward, and jobs that are currently on property. We must look forward.
02-03-2011, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
Thanks. I swear this was buried in an LOA somewhere, but I didn't know if it was automatic or it had to be manually done by CS.
02-03-2011, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Do you know of a scope sale that our reps do not know about? 
Point of my point bar is there are limits and even after the RJET 3announcement they can only get 20 more 70+ seat jets, 32 total. That is a long way from the inferred 100 "newer jets."
Point of my point bar is there are limits and even after the RJET 3announcement they can only get 20 more 70+ seat jets, 32 total. That is a long way from the inferred 100 "newer jets."
A 70 seater is 92% as good as a 76 seater, maybe better depending on whether you can sell premium seats and seats at convenient times of the day for increased revenue.
The CASM is the real limiting factor, not our scope. The way our contract is written, management will chose the best combination of RASM/CASM every time the economics favor the more efficient airplane. A four passenger Eclipse jet would be a factor if it's CASM were competitively low. It's all about the Benjamins.
This is nothing new. Guess the only reason it's news is because we were told the RJ was dead.
It is continuation of a trend until we fix section 1.
02-03-2011, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog
It may be, but I'm not sure. I had to do this a while back, commuting ATL-DTW. I had the JS reserved, but an LCA walked up and got it. Something about a reroute and a line check or something like that. Anyway, he was really apologetic about taking the seat on such short notice. The flight was overbooked, but the CPSC had me positive space in less than 5 minutes. Very helpful.
To paraphrase it says we will not be bumped for payload optimization if we are holding a confirmed JS (ie no walkups.) Additionally, if we are bumped for someone more important, we are to call scheduling for positive space (this applies for a TO WORK reservation only)
Thanks guys for the input. Now what are we supposed to do if we are holding for scheduling for 20+ minutes and departure time is nearing??
02-03-2011, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
We're refleeting with airplanes we don't buy, airplanes we don't fly.
02-03-2011, 08:54 AM
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Gentlemen,
Take this with someone with experience in the matter:
Anytime you have DC-9's getting parked and the 70 seaters replacing them are being flown by someone else, it is very bad for future SLI negotiations. Especially, when your merger partner is expanding, while you are being told the company is trying to make a profit.
Even if they can somehow get a bunch of MD90's and make this a wash.....
From the Alaska Airlines Quick Take:
We need to get (back) that 70 seat flying.
Maybe Compass pilots need to be brought over, right now.
Take this with someone with experience in the matter:
Anytime you have DC-9's getting parked and the 70 seaters replacing them are being flown by someone else, it is very bad for future SLI negotiations. Especially, when your merger partner is expanding, while you are being told the company is trying to make a profit.
Even if they can somehow get a bunch of MD90's and make this a wash.....
From the Alaska Airlines Quick Take:
# 15 new aircraft: 13 737-900ERs and 2 new 737-800s for delivery 2012-2014
# Firm orders for 26 new aircraft over the next four years
# Firm orders for 26 new aircraft over the next four years
Maybe Compass pilots need to be brought over, right now.
02-03-2011, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Nope, not yet, but I understand the economics and demographics. We have good people in office, they will be under pressure.
A 70 seater is 92% as good as a 76 seater, maybe better depending on whether you can sell premium seats and seats at convenient times of the day for increased revenue.
The CASM is the real limiting factor, not our scope. The way our contract is written, management will chose the best combination of RASM/CASM every time the economics favor the more efficient airplane. A four passenger Eclipse jet would be a factor if it's CASM were competitively low. It's all about the Benjamins.
This is nothing new. Guess the only reason it's news is because we were told the RJ was dead.
It is continuation of a trend until we fix section 1.
A 70 seater is 92% as good as a 76 seater, maybe better depending on whether you can sell premium seats and seats at convenient times of the day for increased revenue.
The CASM is the real limiting factor, not our scope. The way our contract is written, management will chose the best combination of RASM/CASM every time the economics favor the more efficient airplane. A four passenger Eclipse jet would be a factor if it's CASM were competitively low. It's all about the Benjamins.
This is nothing new. Guess the only reason it's news is because we were told the RJ was dead.
It is continuation of a trend until we fix section 1.
The easy answer is hold the line on scope and when the next gen 100 seat jet actually makes it in to the air with CASM numbers that they tout, the small jet issue will again take care of itself.
As you say it is about the Benjamins. This holds true for pilots too, sadly. If it continues to be the will of the pilots to vote pay over scope maintenance, then we get what we deserve.
02-03-2011, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Again, watch their words. The "50" seat RJ is dead. The 70/76 seat jets have six to nine years left in them which is exactly when these ASA's expire. DAL is writing shorter term contracts and all of them are set to expire in 2020 or earlier.
The easy answer is hold the line on scope and when the next gen 100 seat jet actually makes it in to the air with CASM numbers that they tout, the small jet issue will again take care of itself.
As you say it is about the Benjamins. This holds true for pilots too, sadly. If it continues to be the will of the pilots to vote pay over scope maintenance, then we get what we deserve.
The easy answer is hold the line on scope and when the next gen 100 seat jet actually makes it in to the air with CASM numbers that they tout, the small jet issue will again take care of itself.
As you say it is about the Benjamins. This holds true for pilots too, sadly. If it continues to be the will of the pilots to vote pay over scope maintenance, then we get what we deserve.
BINGO!! We are the LAST line of defense AGAINST further scope degradation. Read the ENTIRE TA before you check a box. If we fail to hold the line then it's our fault. Period.
02-03-2011, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Gentlemen,
Take this with someone with experience in the matter:
Anytime you have DC-9's getting parked and the 70 seaters replacing them are being flown by someone else, it is very bad for future SLI negotiations. Especially, when your merger partner is expanding, while you are being told the company is trying to make a profit.
Even if they can somehow get a bunch of MD90's and make this a wash.....
From the Alaska Airlines Quick Take:
We need to get (back) that 70 seat flying.
Maybe Compass pilots need to be brought over, right now.
Take this with someone with experience in the matter:
Anytime you have DC-9's getting parked and the 70 seaters replacing them are being flown by someone else, it is very bad for future SLI negotiations. Especially, when your merger partner is expanding, while you are being told the company is trying to make a profit.
Even if they can somehow get a bunch of MD90's and make this a wash.....
From the Alaska Airlines Quick Take:
We need to get (back) that 70 seat flying.
Maybe Compass pilots need to be brought over, right now.
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