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Old 02-03-2011 | 11:21 AM
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Gaaaaaaaah can't ANYBODY have any patience anymore? WAIT TILL THE F%*@^* GAME to watch them.....
Old 02-03-2011 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
Be wary of 965 and 964...
they're made in China!

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So is everything else we buy!
Old 02-03-2011 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
The way I understand it there were some key players that were involved in all of them.

The AS agreement was modified to account for the NW AS agreement. IOW the Section 1 was in fact modified when DAL and NW merged...

I agree that most of these things are in place now with little room for remedies. That's why it is so important to understand and learn from the mistakes and the successes. Something that's not possible if one doesn't allow for criticism of sections that are lacking.

If we want to avoid past mistakes we need to acknowledge them, study them and ensure they don't happen again.

or

we just don't admit to mistakes and continue...

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Sure. You bring up a good point, which is that the AS agreement could not be simply inherited without our approval. This doesn't mean Alaska had to agree to go along with new terms, but they had something to gain from the bigger network. On the other hand, I think the truth is that both MEC's, and both companies, really did want this merger. I think it came down to time, and we would have had to be amazingly unified and forward-thinking to get what we got plus contractual modifications. For starters, we would have had to agreee on what both groups would have wanted in a combined contract.

Now that we have time, I'd really like us to craft the contract the Delta pilots will work under, not to blindly head towards a TA. To me, the cornerstones would be be capturing as much of our flying as possible, a review of benefits, a redesign of Section 23, better DC rates, and, finally, tweaking payrates to get to the overall cost we can negotiate.
Old 02-03-2011 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
They are not mystical. I think he is referring to my speculation. As Ed stated 100 Newer Airframes. Even with those 30 and the allowable 70+seat jets, there are still some jets unaccounted for in that figure.
Maybe the JAL MD-90's. I think the China Southern MD-90's are a done deal.
Old 02-03-2011 | 11:29 AM
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Look at the BH utilization and stage lenght. Those skew the numbers quite a bit. 433 miles for DL DC-9 vs 994 miles for YX Ejet? I think you need to look at similar stage lenghts and block hour to get an accurate comparision.

I mean really, I bet Delta flies the -9 a bit more than 6.7 hours per day.
Old 02-03-2011 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by firstmob
Maybe the JAL MD-90's. I think the China Southern MD-90's are a done deal.

No idea just showing the words Ed used, and applying it to the limits of the PWA.
Old 02-03-2011 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Martin404
Look at the BH utilization and stage lenght. Those skew the numbers quite a bit. 433 miles for DL DC-9 vs 994 miles for YX Ejet? I think you need to look at similar stage lenghts and block hour to get an accurate comparision.

I mean really, I bet Delta flies the -9 a bit more than 6.7 hours per day.
Yep, did you read Note 2 on the YX numbers as well? It says, "YX E190 started operating in Q3 2009, stats represent internal forecasts".
So, not even actual numbers!

Also, I'm a little surprised that for Delta's DC-9, that maintenance and crew costs add up to $2,461 a block hour. The airplanes are depreciated and have no lease payments, so ownership cost should be almost zero.

Remember, there are Lies, Damned Lies and statistics.
Old 02-03-2011 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by firstmob
Maybe the JAL MD-90's. I think the China Southern MD-90's are a done deal.
There's only 119 of the buggars in the world...





In August 2009, a total of 109 MD-90 aircraft (all variants) were in airline service, including:
Old 02-03-2011 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Reroute
I wouldn't say they are "mystical" MD-90s, we've recently taken delivery and operating 3, for a total of 19 on the line and there are 12 in storage under going maintenance/conversion. Ed said we'd acquire about 20 more. I'm sticking with at least 49 MD-90s in the fleet in the next 18 months, possibly more.

In storage:

ship number-type-date of manufacture
9220 - MD-90-30 - 07-Oct-97

9221 - MD-90-30 - 07-Oct-97

9222 - MD-90-30 - 14-Dec-97

9223 - MD-90-30 - 30-Mar-98

9224 - MD-90-30 - 30-Jun-98

9225 - MD-90-30 - 01-Oct-98

9226 - MD-90-30 - 13-Dec-98

9227 - MD-90-30 - 26-Mar-99

9228 - MD-90-30 - 31-Mar-99

9229 - MD-90-30 - 14-Nov-96

9230 - MD-90-30 - 31-Oct-96

9265 - MD-90-30 - 19-Sept-00
They're mystical in the sense that we've "been getting them" for years, but we only have a handful in service, and we managed to damage one of those.

I'm not so much interested in aircraft we "will" see, as airplanes I can see. I'm not debating your info, only waiting for it to be proven. You can't blame me for waiting for confirmation: the gap between rumored and delivered MD-90's is significant.

I'm not discounting your info, let's just say I'm... deferring it.
Old 02-03-2011 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
Yep, did you read Note 2 on the YX numbers as well? It says, "YX E190 started operating in Q3 2009, stats represent internal forecasts".
So, not even actual numbers!

Also, I'm a little surprised that for Delta's DC-9, that maintenance and crew costs add up to $2,461 a block hour. The airplanes are depreciated and have no lease payments, so ownership cost should be almost zero.

Remember, there are Lies, Damned Lies and statistics.
Didn't have my readin' specticals on so I missed that!
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