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12-01-2010 | 09:30 AM

#53751

RockyBoy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by buzzpat

It's actually an awesome deal if you're a line holder. You get paid for the trip and you can pickup something else.

They can assign you recovery flying from open time as long as they assign it prior to 12 hours before your originally scheduled report time. If you don't have anything on your schedule by 12 hours prior, then you are under no obligation for recovery flying and you can WS trips and get paid for both your dropped trip and the WS trip. Any recovery trip cannot start earlier than the original trip, but it can end 4 hours later than your original trip. You get no hotel if you get an uncommutable recovery trip.

It can be awesome if there is nothing in open time, but when there are plenty of trips sitting there it usually ends up being a bad deal.

12-01-2010 | 09:34 AM

#53752

RockyBoy

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Originally Posted by johnso29

So my trip starts on the 3rd, & there are three 4 days & two 3 days in open time for the 3rd. If I'm reading the contract correctly they can just toss one of those trips on my schedule tomorrow.

Is that correct?

Plus I only get paid for my original rotation, yes?

Yes that is correct and you will get paid the value of your original trip or the recovery trip whichever is greater. 23K recovery flying is given out BEFORE they give anything to reserve guys so you will get one of those trips. Put in your preferences for the trips available to get the best of what is there and expect to get the one that has the most flying that fits within the window of what they can give you which sounds like one of the 4-days.

12-01-2010 | 09:38 AM

#53753

johnso29

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From: B757/767

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockyBoy

Thanks Rocky.

What's official notification? A phone call?

There are 5 trips open time so I think they'll be giving me one of those.

My other question is if I originally had a 5 day on my line, but am assigned a 4 day, am I still subject to recovery flying on the last day? Do try have to give me 12 hours notice if they tagged a day trip on for Day 5?????

Thanks for your help.

12-01-2010 | 09:43 AM

#53754

Hornet1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by buzzpat

It's actually an awesome deal if you're a line holder. You get paid for the trip and you can pickup something else.

Its only a good deal if they do not assign you recovery flying. It can be a very bad deal. I had a four day commutable trip out of JFK that was dropped for an OE. Scheduling then tried to gave me a 3 day trip not commutable on the back end out of EWR which was legal according to the PWA. I pleaded with him that my flight kit was at JFK and it would be very hard for me to get my kit and then get to EWR without commuting in the night before. Fortunately he was able to give me a 3 day JFK instead.

They can give you a trip that gets in up to 4 hours after your original or by midnight the same day...wichever is later. This is something that needs to be addressed in the next contract.

12-01-2010 | 09:45 AM

#53755

Hornet1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by johnso29

The quick answer is no. They can only give one trip.

12-01-2010 | 09:51 AM

#53756

johnso29

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Originally Posted by Hornet1

The quick answer is no. They can only give one trip.

Thanks Hornet. (And Rocky) DTW 320 has almost no reserves due to Dec 1 bring a conversion window, & new hires not yet replacing the converted guys yet. I don't want to get nailed with a day trip after finishing a 4 day there by losing a day at home.

I'll go pref my replacement trip.

And yes, Sec 23 needs an overhaul. What a POS.

12-01-2010 | 09:52 AM

#53757

johnso29

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From: B757/767

And Buzz,

Thanks too. The effort to help me out is appreciated.

12-01-2010 | 10:00 AM

#53758

Sink r8

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Quote:

Originally Posted by johnso29

And yes, Sec 23 needs an overhaul. What a POS.

What we forgot to mention is that this gem (the recovery flying section) is not the normal (traditional) state of affairs. It used to be the recovery flying was assigned last in sequence, not first. This is one of the sections that was taken away in the pre-BK/BK process.

12-01-2010 | 10:05 AM

#53759

johnso29

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Originally Posted by Sink r8

Putting recovery flying back at the bottom of the RUO would be a huge improvement. When you're subject to it in it's current form, you're basically hosed if anything is open time.

12-01-2010 | 10:29 AM

#53760

Doug Masters

Weekend and Holiday Pilot

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From: Sippin' at the Troubadour

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnso29

Putting recovery flying back at the bottom of the RUO would be a huge improvement. When you're subject to it in it's current form, you're basically hosed if anything is open time.

If they take your trip for IOE you should be off. Period.