Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-16-2011 | 04:32 AM
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Many of you are now making the same argument that the ASA and CMR MECs made back in 2000. If Frontier, CHQ, Republic, Shuttle, and Lynx are a single air carrier, then weren't ASA, CMR, and Delta a single carrier? Wouldn't that make DAL and CMR a single carrier now?
If DALPA filed a grievance on this issue, and I were management, I would use the DALPA response to the ASA/CMR PID filing as evidence against the grievance....
If DALPA filed a grievance on this issue, and I were management, I would use the DALPA response to the ASA/CMR PID filing as evidence against the grievance....
03-16-2011 | 04:34 AM
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Many of you are now making the same argument that the ASA and CMR MECs made back in 2000. If Frontier, CHQ, Republic, Shuttle, and Lynx are a single air carrier, then weren't ASA, CMR, and Delta a single carrier? Wouldn't that make DAL and CMR a single carrier now?
If DALPA filed a grievance on this issue, and I were management, I would use the DALPA response to the ASA/CMR PID filing as evidence against the grievance....
If DALPA filed a grievance on this issue, and I were management, I would use the DALPA response to the ASA/CMR PID filing as evidence against the grievance....
03-16-2011 | 04:34 AM
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Scambo, that is a highly emotional statement coming from you. What you are saying is that you want ALPA to spend money just to make its members "feel" good, when past practice will be the precedence going forward?
To further clarify; If nothing structurally changes within RJET, you think that ALPA will win that fight? If you do not think that past practices and contractual interpretations matter, then, are you saying you just want to see ALPA fight for the sake of fighting and spend your money frivolously?
I do not like it either, but as I have said before, best way to deal with this is to spend your money and resources on what is in front of you, not what is behind you. To be clear, I am referring to C2012 and Section One. Fix the clause get a commitment from DAL to not write new ASA, amend, modify or extend existing ones. Do not sell the 100 seat jet. Hold Skyteam to language that will not allow RJET to feed a foreign carrier. (this one is big. What it means is our section one prevails and makes a cabatoage clause for us and defines us as the US domestic carrier and no one else unless agreed to in our PWA, it will be worth its weight in gold going forward)
To further clarify; If nothing structurally changes within RJET, you think that ALPA will win that fight? If you do not think that past practices and contractual interpretations matter, then, are you saying you just want to see ALPA fight for the sake of fighting and spend your money frivolously?
I do not like it either, but as I have said before, best way to deal with this is to spend your money and resources on what is in front of you, not what is behind you. To be clear, I am referring to C2012 and Section One. Fix the clause get a commitment from DAL to not write new ASA, amend, modify or extend existing ones. Do not sell the 100 seat jet. Hold Skyteam to language that will not allow RJET to feed a foreign carrier. (this one is big. What it means is our section one prevails and makes a cabatoage clause for us and defines us as the US domestic carrier and no one else unless agreed to in our PWA, it will be worth its weight in gold going forward)
03-16-2011 | 04:41 AM
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Great tag line, really, and I agree under except we have allowed this for over half a decade and the judges are going to see that. It is more like showing up to a gun fight with a butter knife. Now, that said, show a change in structure to RJET and you have a very good case. The trick is to find it.
03-16-2011 | 04:46 AM
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And where does it say Shuttle America? They are stating dour different airlines. Shuttle America does a a lot of our flying, fwiw. Probably is not omitted by mistake!!! 
Single Carrier status would be great. I would want nothing more than to see this happen, but given the language in our PWA, and past practices, unless something changes within their structure, there is little leverage.
Single Carrier status would be great. I would want nothing more than to see this happen, but given the language in our PWA, and past practices, unless something changes within their structure, there is little leverage.
I guess we'll see very soon when F9 starts to hire and where those new hires come from.
03-16-2011 | 04:56 AM
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Great tag line, really, and I agree under except we have allowed this for over half a decade and the judges are going to see that. It is more like showing up to a gun fight with a butter knife. Now, that said, show a change in structure to RJET and you have a very good case. The trick is to find it.
Past practice for doctors used to be ex-sanguination and using leeches. Do you defend that today? (gee I didnt even mean to draw a parallel to RAH).
03-16-2011 | 05:02 AM
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I agree...It's ironic to hear Delta pilots now making the same argument that the ASA and CMR MECs made in 2000.
03-16-2011 | 05:05 AM
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I understand that I don't have the golden BB. I'm just trying to wrap my mind around why you would pay someone to compete against you. A bronze bust of me at the DALPA office would be nice. Maybe I should dig a little deeper.
03-16-2011 | 05:11 AM
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DALPA changed the PWA when DAL wanted to sell OH. If the change was not made, RJET would have been off of the DCI list a long time ago, but frankly, we wanted nothing to do with OH or ASA and their perceived demands, so we changed the language. After all, what we have was the will of the pilot group at the time. Do not forget that. We just get to deal with it now. Em the facts.
03-16-2011 | 05:27 AM
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first, like dirty said, we don't have an SLI with comair, asa, skywest, chq, etc.
second, sure when you buy a ticket on delta to nrt you may at some point fly on a dci carrier or the oversized dci carrier known as alaska, but that's all a part of the scope arrangement.
i don't see how this passes the test. The PWA defines an air carrier as: a citizen of the United States undertaking by any means, directly or indirectly, to provide air transportation.
I see both the Midwest flying on the E190s and the Frontier flying on E190s and A319s is in violation of 1.D.2.
RAH has has the power or right to manage or direct the management of all or substantially all of the other carriers operations, that's control according to section 1. Their pilots are all on 1 list, how that's not operating in essence as a single carrier is beyond me.
All of this started when CHQ got caught by APA back in 03 or 04. APA needs to step back in and do something about it, for the sake of Delta pilots.
second, sure when you buy a ticket on delta to nrt you may at some point fly on a dci carrier or the oversized dci carrier known as alaska, but that's all a part of the scope arrangement.
i don't see how this passes the test. The PWA defines an air carrier as: a citizen of the United States undertaking by any means, directly or indirectly, to provide air transportation.
I see both the Midwest flying on the E190s and the Frontier flying on E190s and A319s is in violation of 1.D.2.
RAH has has the power or right to manage or direct the management of all or substantially all of the other carriers operations, that's control according to section 1. Their pilots are all on 1 list, how that's not operating in essence as a single carrier is beyond me.
All of this started when CHQ got caught by APA back in 03 or 04. APA needs to step back in and do something about it, for the sake of Delta pilots.
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