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03-26-2011, 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Roadkill
What's 44TR and 44WD mean on the wide report? Or better yet, where can I find a "key" that explains ALL the codes that show up on the bid reports?
Thanks!
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03-26-2011, 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I'm curious what is in a DOT Form 41 (T2 and P-5.2) document. The only thing I see is you download an adobe $700 program and you can see the free download from the DOT.
https://1bts.rita.dot.gov/pdc/user/p...SC,%204%20DESC
I look at those numbers and this is what I wonder, are the numbers skewed because of the extremely small size of the MD90 fleet? Such as we only have 16 aircraft in the fleet of 600 with those particular engines. I realize that the fuel burn of the 738 and 90 are almost identical so once the seating is identical then they should be very similar CASM in fuel numbers alone right?
And this is before we talk acquisition prices which I take it is not included in these numbers? Otherwise it'd be more economical to dump every 88/90/9/737/738 and order 320s as a replacement.
https://1bts.rita.dot.gov/pdc/user/p...SC,%204%20DESC
I look at those numbers and this is what I wonder, are the numbers skewed because of the extremely small size of the MD90 fleet? Such as we only have 16 aircraft in the fleet of 600 with those particular engines. I realize that the fuel burn of the 738 and 90 are almost identical so once the seating is identical then they should be very similar CASM in fuel numbers alone right?
And this is before we talk acquisition prices which I take it is not included in these numbers? Otherwise it'd be more economical to dump every 88/90/9/737/738 and order 320s as a replacement.
Here are some highlights:
----------738-----MD90-----MD88-----320
BH Cost--$3765---$3795----$3850-----$3394
Gal/Hr----787-----795-------896-------806
Stage----1180----806-------613-------1124
CASM----6.7------7.3-------8.9--------6.0
Of note is that the MD90 data is for 17 a/c all with 150 seats.
Also, the 319 CASM is 8.3 vs the 737-7 at 6.8. Crew cost make up almost 1 cent of that differences. IMO the 320 CASM data iserroneous due to accounting issues between it and the 319.
A little off topic but if there was ever a no brainier here it is:
Similar Aircraft Comparisons Chart
This mod would make the whole MD fleet about the same efficiency.
03-26-2011, 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
Replace the 88/90 fleet with 320's, the 757 fleet with 321's, order more 330's, ditch the 787 for the 350, and you would save TON's of cash due to fleet commonality and training costs. Whether you love or hate Airbus, you have to admit they know what they are doing when it comes to providing a product that can reduce costs for an airline that needs more than one fleet type.
... and then you would have one company (Airbus) that would be able to hold DAL hostage because they are an exclusive customer. Competition.. it's not just for cold war superpowers anymore.
03-26-2011, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
My take is this:
Those CASM are raw data and not adjusted for stage length
My guess is that the chart has numbers for the purchased new MD90s.
No way were they under $30M brand new. The "previously owned" MD90s we're getting are all in $10M. that would put the new MD90s right around $0.06. Adjust for 160 seats and the number goes
If you're going to order new jets it's obvious which ones the company will buy. The numbers also bear out why the A321 with sharklets will have the super-low CASMs when it becomes available late next year.
Cheers
George
Those CASM are raw data and not adjusted for stage length
My guess is that the chart has numbers for the purchased new MD90s.
No way were they under $30M brand new. The "previously owned" MD90s we're getting are all in $10M. that would put the new MD90s right around $0.06. Adjust for 160 seats and the number goes
If you're going to order new jets it's obvious which ones the company will buy. The numbers also bear out why the A321 with sharklets will have the super-low CASMs when it becomes available late next year.
Cheers
George
03-26-2011, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
... and then you would have one company (Airbus) that would be able to hold DAL hostage because they are an exclusive customer. Competition.. it's not just for cold war superpowers anymore.
03-26-2011, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Columbia
My thoughts as well. What if some type of common component was considered faulty for example, thereby grounding the entire fleet for a period of time? I would think you would want to maintain some sort of leverage over an OEM by not having an exclusive relationship. When you say "I do" then the chasing each other around naked with swim fins on stops (or so I've heard )
03-26-2011, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Thanks for reminding me newK.
It's easy to forget because tsquare is a grouchy old senior captain. And I have nothing in common with those kind of guys.
Carl
It's easy to forget because tsquare is a grouchy old senior captain. And I have nothing in common with those kind of guys.
Carl
No problem, Carl. Even though you two are entirely different, you should try to get along.
03-26-2011, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
... and then you would have one company (Airbus) that would be able to hold DAL hostage because they are an exclusive customer. Competition.. it's not just for cold war superpowers anymore.
I'm frankly shocked that we're not getting more movement out of Boeing. You'd think they would want to keep the World's second largest airline as a customer especially after the abortion they're calling the 787. Of course, that would require the same company that thought global outsourcing was a good idea to recognize that customer service matters.
03-26-2011, 07:48 AM
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Attention former CRJ 50 seat drivers: Quick question. Have you ever heard of being weight restricted to the extent that you had to go out with 6 empty seats? The segment was PIT-ATL, today. Wife has a friend on a buddy pass (yeah, I know, we tried to talk her out of doing that) and the agent told her she couldn't get on the flight because of weight restrictions. I checked and the flight went out with 6 empty seats. What do you think? Legit?
03-26-2011, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Attention former CRJ 50 seat drivers: Quick question. Have you ever heard of being weight restricted to the extent that you had to go out with 6 empty seats? The segment was PIT-ATL, today. Wife has a friend on a buddy pass (yeah, I know, we tried to talk her out of doing that) and the agent told her she couldn't get on the flight because of weight restrictions. I checked and the flight went out with 6 empty seats. What do you think? Legit?
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