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Originally Posted by georgetg
(Post 965410)
Haneda cancelled...
Detroit – Tokyo Haneda from 22MAR11, Los Angeles – Tokyo Haneda from 23MAR11, is CANCELED. Tokyo Haneda departure from 22MAR11 is also canceled. DELTA’s inventory display is all Zero’d out from those dates. Service to be resumed from 31MAY11 from Detorit, 02JUN11 from Los Angeles and Tokyo Haneda, with Boeing 777-200ER aircraft instead of 747-400 as previously planned. Cheers George |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 965419)
So in short, you're saying money? How exactly are we going to just walk up to management out of Sec 6 & ask for raises? On what grounds would we do so? Can we even do it? IDK, that's why I'm asking.
Would you be happy if DALPA did ask for mid contract restoration, & the company said no? Just curious. Looking for pilot group input. The membership needs to decide if they would want to do that. |
Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
(Post 965297)
As you have pointed out, we have many, many new LEC reps in place. And yet very little has actually changed. We're still almost half a decade into compensation that was designed for bankruptcy and as an emergency measure to save the company from liquidation. And this new slate of reps still refuses to even ASK the company for a mid contract partial pay restoration. They take up the same, tired old mantra of "what are you willing to give up to get that?" Sounds to me like SSDD. Maybe the structure per se is okay. But the culture appears to be too ingrained to be able to penetrate. I see very little change from the same path Lee Moak put us on. And I think that spells disaster for any chance of real unity. You can't unite this pilot group around the idea that the rest of our careers are going to be mediocre and we should just accept that.
We will have an uphill road to climb in obtaining an industry leading contract because we will be fighting our own union every bit as hard as management. Carl |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 965439)
My guess is that the "What are you going to give up to get that?" was in the form of; "Are you willing to accept a an extension?" Maybe not, but the reality is that DAL will want a quid for a respectable raise. It is not giving something up, except to draw out the PWA.
The membership needs to decide if they would want to do that. Between pbs*, relaxed scope, pensions erased**, et. al., the pilots loaned out a lot to help the company be in position to succeed and there isn't much to give up. We're already way way behind Southwest and our scope is horrible compared not only to SWA but to one of our outsourced carriers violating our scope- RAH.*** Back to angry birds and waiting for modern family. *I still prefer PBS. yes, I know. **Still don't want one, give me a 401K until that's taken away. ***And I know APA sued over RAH and lost but that was years ago. RAH has grown a lot to E190s and Airbuses. It's worth the fight. |
I do believe that TO is right in the same vein as LM. However, he has shown movement in the direction of listening to what the pilot group wants.
Despite my rants earlier today, I'm watching in earnest to see if there is actual response or just lip service. |
Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 965349)
The definition says absolutely nothing about certificates.
Its anybody providing air transport by any means, directly or indirectly. Republic Holdings is certainly that. ALPA hashed and rehashed indeed. Bottom line is they don't want to enforce that section of our contract. Too disruptive for "constructive engagement" purposes and too divisive for their dream of bringing all mainline and RJ pilots under the ALPA dues collector machine. Carl |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 965419)
So in short, you're saying money? How exactly are we going to just walk up to management out of Sec 6 & ask for raises? On what grounds would we do so? Can we even do it? IDK, that's why I'm asking.
Would you be happy if DALPA did ask for mid contract restoration, & the company said no? Just curious. Looking for pilot group input. I understand if you have never asked for a raise. There are probably many pilots at DAL in that boat. Here is how you do it: You walk into your boss and say "Boss, I need a raise." |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 965420)
Put it on ATL-DTW. :D
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
(Post 965371)
This kind of thinking is a big part of what I think is wrong with DALPA. No successful company or organization achieves anything difficult and significant by sitting back and waiting to see what someone else does. That's ridiculous. We shouldn't be pinning our hopes to "pattern bargaining." We should be clearly defining our objective and going for it with everything we've got and with a sense of urgency. We have a lot of ground to make up. And we've been out of BK for almost half a decade! When do we start??
This!!! Carl |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 965452)
The thing is, and this is imho, but it's a bankruptcy PWA.
Between pbs*, relaxed scope, pensions erased**, et. al., the pilots loaned out a lot to help the company be in position to succeed and there isn't much to give up. We're already way way behind Southwest and our scope is horrible compared not only to SWA but to one of our outsourced carriers violating our scope- RAH.*** Back to angry birds and waiting for modern family. *I still prefer PBS. yes, I know. **Still don't want one, give me a 401K until that's taken away. ***And I know APA sued over RAH and lost but that was years ago. RAH has grown a lot to E190s and Airbuses. It's worth the fight. |
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