Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 965300)

Frankly, they could ask and may have or will. Input, input input. But I know they would get hammered if they went and asked before asking the pilots in a contract survey. They would be seen as acting without pilot input. It is a catch 22.

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 965297)

As you have pointed out, we have many, many new LEC reps in place. And yet very little has actually changed. We're still almost half a decade into compensation that was designed for bankruptcy and as an emergency measure to save the company from liquidation. And this new slate of reps still refuses to even ASK the company for a mid contract partial pay restoration. They take up the same, tired old mantra of "what are you willing to give up to get that?" Sounds to me like SSDD. Maybe the structure per se is okay. But the culture appears to be too ingrained to be able to penetrate. I see very little change from the same path Lee Moak put us on. And I think that spells disaster for any chance of real unity. You can't unite this pilot group around the idea that the rest of our careers are going to be mediocre and we should just accept that.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 965334)

I've seen a ton of changes lately. Look at the changes in pay distribution, theater qualification, seats assigned for DH, scheduling optimization team, trip construction & variety, and various forms of communication such as Touch & Go's. Fact is DALPA is listening. The P2P program is being revived, & changes are being made. If we go after small things such as what I have listed above NOW, that is less to negotiate for in Sec 6. That means we can focus on pay, retirement, & scope.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 965193)

the crux of the matter of which we speak revolves around what an "air carrier" is and is not. It has been hashed and rehashed not just here but within the ranks of ALPA and the result is an "air carrier" is defined by certificate, not holder of the certificate, with regard to our section one.

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 965342)

But nothing about the really big, most important items. We still haven't set any kind of objective with regard to restoration of our profession and our careers. Resolutions to get mid-contract partial pay restoration are ignored (excuse me, "received"). And input to the same effect is responded to with, "what are you willing to give up to get that?" I'll give you that some things are changing for the positive. But I still think our expectations are being managed, our input on restoration ignored, and essentially the same old playbook is being run. Like I said before, at least on the big ticket items... SSDD. From what I'm seeing, I'm not optimistic. Wish I could be.

Originally Posted by JobHopper (Post 965358)

The US government has extended the evacuation zone around the Japanese reactors to 50 miles. Not that all this talk of Section 1 and JVs isn't absolutely fascinating, but our futures may lie in the hands of an event completely out of our control.

Originally Posted by JobHopper (Post 965358)

The US government has extended the evacuation zone around the Japanese reactors to 50 miles. Not that all this talk of Section 1 and JVs isn't absolutely fascinating, but our futures may lie in the hands of an event completely out of our control.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 965359)

Perhaps DALPA is waiting to see what UAL/CAL & AA get? Maybe waiting to see if UsAir's snap back clause goes in to effect? If those groups better our rates, we are in a better position to ask for restoration.

Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 965366)

Indeed-an interesting read is of the Chernobyl disaster. Many firefighters and engineers died of radiation poisoning within weeks after the explosion. The neighboring town was evacuated the next day April 2, 1986 and has been fenced off since. Pretty scary stuff.

Chernobyl disaster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia