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Another issue, why does DAL continue to fund a competitor? Is it a double edged sword? Is it better to pay RAH to operate DCI flights on routes that compete with F9 in hopes of taking the revenue over F9, rather then use a different DCI carrier?

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 965019)

DPA has some good idea, I even admit that, but the reality is that everyone that I have talked to that is "pro dpa" has issues with people within alpa and not the structure. Reality is the structure of the independents mirrors DALPA and CAPA loosely mirrors ALPA. If you want and demand change, work for it within the structure that is in place, because after all, DPA will have a similar structure. Why? You can answer that.

The only difference is that DPA would come with the baggage that alpa national has.... and it is not necessarily true what you say here.. I have a problem with the structure at the national association...

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Originally Posted by FlighTimeBarbie (Post 965072)

Typically the (Wilson) polling results get distributed to the LEC Reps during closed meetings. For confidentiality, the results are literally signed out to each rep individually (with their name atop each packet) during the meeting and only distributed during a small window – amongst all other agenda business. Each packet is then collected and accounted for. The packets are edited (for size, presumably; content?). The debate over the nature of poll questions and how they are worded is ongoing.

My question is…do these polls really get used ‘behind the curtain?’ I ask your opinions/experiences because it seems, from what I have observed, the Negotiating Committee, in concert with the MEC Administration - not the LEC reps - are the real decision makers on what is being TA’d. Referencing an earlier discussion on TA’s being impossible to change/renegotiate once agreed to – what ends up in a TA can even shock an LEC rep when it hits the MEC table. In my personal opinion, it seems the LEC reps aren’t involved in the process as much as we would like to think – which suggests the line pilots aren’t either.

I also will ask a question for content.

Do you think it is wise strategically for those polling results to get out to the public, and to us? I say heck no, because then the company knows exactly where we are as a group and how to effectively marginalize us. They need to be kept secret.

As for the second part, of the MEC meetings that I have witnessed, the Reps would take great offense to your assertion. These Reps know what they want, and sometimes that is in line with this or that, but the reality is they direct the MEC, and frankly that is the way this Administration's Master Chair sees it.

These Reps are type A's and will not just rubber stamp everything. Call your reps. You elected them for a reason, and if this were to ever go on, I am very certain the majority of the MEC Reps would call BS, abet quietly and in closed session. Why? because somethings are better not aired to the public and to the company.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 965040)

Instead of being keyboard warriors, volunteer your time.

As I have said before, I tried to volunteer once, (twice really) received no interest.. I don't ask to volunteer a second time..

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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 965049)

Having the structure in place isn't enough. It has to be used effectively to be of any value. You aren't going to get the kind of unity you're looking for with weak leadership and a lack of any real, compelling objective. DAL management went for the throat and tried to destroy our careers during BK. And now that the BK/emergency has been over for several years, they refuse to even lift a finger to try and make it right. Even worse, DALPA refuses to so much as ASK them to make it right. Unity will fall into place nicely when it is clear that we can rally around the objective of correcting this. But it ain't gonna happen with Lee Moak type leaders and with people like yourself, who rationalize every excuse they can find not to fight for it.

Just curious, did you run for rep in the last election?

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 965075)

Then write a resolution, and work the process. If the majority of the members (which are mainline pilots at national) agree, the structure changes. :eek:

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Originally Posted by satchip (Post 965080)

Just curious, did you run for rep in the last election?

No he did not.

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 965079)

As I have said before, I tried to volunteer once, (twice really) received no interest.. I don't ask to volunteer a second time..

They aren't exactly receptive to those who might rattle the cage...

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 965085)

They aren't exactly receptive to those who might rattle the cage...

zactly.. funny thing was that I was volunteering for a committee that is apolitical.

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 965079)

As I have said before, I tried to volunteer once, (twice really) received no interest.. I don't ask to volunteer a second time..

Well you should. P2P is looking for pilots, your LEC Chairman is looking for volunteers at the LEC level. I say persistence pays off. If I counted the times I have been told No, I would be a rich man. It never deters me, and it should not deter you.