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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 965104)

The issue here is that we are guaranteeing RJET profits by "competiting" on the same route with their airplanes. Those are guaranteed profit operations for S9 and CHQ (not at risk flying) that we are sending on the routes against RJET.

(my beef here is both with our management and with ALPA, btw)

I know who your beef is with.

I also agree with you, but again, it is not what we want that we are talking about, it is what we have or have done. :confused:

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Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 965123)

What happened, you finally got eternally drunk off the kool-aid and were therefore let into the "club"?

Ha, nope, still getting told NO. :D

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Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 965126)

This is why each item up for MEMRAT needs a PRO and CON review, not a salesjob/roadshow as has been done in the past.

Cheers
George

Within context it has value, but to rambling papers on each side of the issue does not do the idea justice.

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 965122)

I agree that simply seat dumping on west coast N-S routes would be costly. But we would be the survivors and VA would tank almost instantly and AK would wither on the vine in a year or two, with or without LCC.

And of course DL would never do that unless and until AK was dancing with someone else. That's what I meant. Clearly management is happy with their 737 Delta Connection on the west coast. And by west coast I mean both coasts.

I don't really see the value in VA though. It would risk giving them the windfall of the century WRT an SLI if they were able to get a seat at the table, and with the McCaskill law and trend of relative SLI's lately is a real risk, "red meat moments" aside.

And they bring nothing of value whatsoever other than a few more JFK slots. Anything else they do we can do ourselves. Their Airbus fleet is new and completely debt, so why do a messy merger with them when we could just go to Airbus and get an identical fleet ourselves and probably at a cheaper price since we could pencil in a couple hundred options (or LOI' etc) for 2 or 300 more of the NEO's while we're at it? Oh BTW Boeing just announced their cleen sheet numbers for their 737 replacement. 15% savings. LOL! They will sell 600 to SWA and hundreds around the world, but for any carrier with Airbus products, as long as Airbus plays ball with the price (and they will) the NEO will be available a lot sooner and odds are with a lot less issues because the only difference is the engines. The rest is a proven platform. And while Boeing might pretend to claim they "get it" WRT their outsourcing orgy on the 787, they haven't nor do they care, especially about narrowbody trash. They are too target fixated on the heavy metal and military cash cow to care enough to get the 737/797/whatever right.

And for what, the same efficency targets and STILL not a common cockit! LOL!

Not stating they are Plan B, but just throwing it out there. You just never know, especially since Branson is looking for a bed mate. Might be part of a deal. Look at it, and realize that anything is possible.

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Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 965126)

This is why each item up for MEMRAT needs a PRO and CON review, not a salesjob/roadshow as has been done in the past.

Cheers
George

Yep. And any comprehensive TA needs to be presented without section 3. We first MEMRAT the TA without section 3, then, only if that passes, do we have another MEMRAT on the same TA with section 3. Both should have to pass and the MEC/NC should have zero problems sending it to us like that, unless they are planning on blindsiding us with a gold plated section 3 and holes elsewhere like 250+ large dual class RJ's, a 737 domestic coast to coast DCI knock off, treating Jet Airways like equals WRT ASM's, possible "company friendly" F&DT provisions that allow reduced crews if regs are changed to allow it, and other pesky fine print.

Get the other stuff right first, THEN send us section 3 to vote for, with SWA rates being the floor for MD80/737 sized equipment and up from there.

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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 965113)

I'll choose whether or not I answer someone else's question to me. (Hint: rhetorical questions do not always deserve an answer.) Mind your own business! :mad:

Sensitive today? :D

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 965141)

Interesting idea, send it on up.

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Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 965126)

This is why each item up for MEMRAT needs a PRO and CON review, not a salesjob/roadshow as has been done in the past.

Cheers
George

Bingo. That's neat that the negotiators spent so much time on the contract. However, our dues go to ALPA not to sell us on the contract up for vote, but to give us an appropriate in depth knowledge on the facts.

Appropriate knowledge vice a sell job is critical. Just look at the latest Pinnacle TA which was done in an identical manner. An "analysis" was presented to the group, but they very conveniently left out numerous very critical negative aspects of the contract. Sound familiar?

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 965140)

I absolutely realize that it is possible. But we need to go Dubinsky on them if they think they will roll the dice and even maybe casually roll in 4 or 500+ relative new hires blended into our Captain seniority levels. And Atlantic offers little beyond LHR. We've already sold our souls once for some slots, and now we are going to do it again? We need to do London to MCO with at least 3 or 4 widebodies a day, but at least one. Why can't we do ONE per day (and that fake flight number carry over with a plane change does NOT count) when the foreign carriers spam MCO with 4 engine jets hourly. And we can't do a single flight ourselves? UNSAT, and moreover a harbinger of how any VAtlantic deal would go. And the price for that might be a VAmerica windfall of epic proportions? Srsly?

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 965099)

So, what was your point with pointing out that Shuttle was omitted from the route map? squirmy squirmy ;)

The point is that they were not on the map.

What pilots here at DAL need to be worried about is a skyteam agreement with RJET or the like that totally goes around the DAL code and as a result our section one. Read it again. They could fly anything. That is why a domestic cabatoage agreement with skyteam and all of its partners is needed not just for us but for other members. It keeps em honest.

This little fur ball of F9 would be child's play compared to that scope workaround.