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shiznit 03-16-2011 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 965169)
......Only after someone opened their eyes to compound interest over 30 years on a paycheck that is 2 weeks late did they consider presenting it to the company.

Its really only a "compound interest" gain on the difference between the larger amount and the smaller amount one time for that the two week period where the changeover occurs. After that it equalizes out. Your next check is that much less that you can compound for the next two week period, which the larger 30th pay the next month has to make up for in lost interest, and the process starts all over again.

acl65pilot 03-16-2011 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 965184)
Where is that JV agreement? I have tried reading section 1, and since I am not a lawyer, and not part of the smartest legal team to ever grace the airline industry, it is hard to make heads or tails of that legaleze...

The legal agreement is trade secret and not available without a NDA. It would be disastrous for that and the metrics to get out.

That said, there is a contract awareness bulletin in the file library about it.

acl65pilot 03-16-2011 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 965152)
Is it just me, or does it seem that few of the people on this forum are grasping the fact that there has been MAJOR turnover in the LEC ranks, which has resulted in ousting many long-term reps and installing VOTING reps that are very vocal and clearly not happy with the statsu quo?

There is much discontent in the makeup of the LEC's, they were elected on the fuel of discontent that is all over the pilot group. I'm very confident in the direction that my new reps have started off and the systems they are putting in place to right the ship and make the union more transparent and more effective in dealing with the issues facing the pilots of Delta Air Lines.

We'll see the reality when the Sec. 6 openers are exchanged and the tone that the union sets in regards to unifying the pilots. I'm willing to give this group the opportunity to show that our unhappiness and our votes for new leadership were effective and that the message is heard loud and clear to all.

Agreed, and the reality is people need to separate the desire for ALPA to be the bargaining agent from the desire for change and transparency of process. Ergo, the desire of change from within.

Sink r8 03-16-2011 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 965147)
I absolutely realize that it is possible. But we need to go Dubinsky on them if they think they will roll the dice and even maybe casually roll in 4 or 500+ relative new hires blended into our Captain seniority levels. And Atlantic offers little beyond LHR. We've already sold our souls once for some slots, and now we are going to do it again? We need to do London to MCO with at least 3 or 4 widebodies a day, but at least one. Why can't we do ONE per day (and that fake flight number carry over with a plane change does NOT count) when the foreign carriers spam MCO with 4 engine jets hourly. And we can't do a single flight ourselves? UNSAT, and moreover a harbinger of how any VAtlantic deal would go. And the price for that might be a VAmerica windfall of epic proportions? Srsly?

I was just thinking about Virgin Atlantic last week while in JFK. They don't have many gates at T4. Planes are parked at remotes, and moved in for the flight (sort of like... us!). If at least they offered an improvement in the real estate picture and afforded access to something we don't have, it would be nice. I understand the new T4 will only physically add nine gates, and some will be shared with the competition, since we won't fully control the new terminal. So I don't see how Virgin America helps in any way.

And it goes beyond VA/VAmerica. At first glance, I don't believe we discussed this article on the L&G thread: Jet Airways Asked to Join Air France-KLM, Delta, Alitalia Venture - WSJ.com

Note that Jet Airways is being asked to join in the JV, not just SkyTeam. This is an Indian carrier, running new widebody aircraft between India and the US, and between its' Brussels hub, and EWR and JFK. The article says this:

"...Joining such an alliance would likely help Jet Airways to cost-effectively expand its overseas operations, leveraging the global network of the three other airlines instead of deploying its own aircraft..."

That almost sounded good: maybe we're delaying their growth, and at least splitting the revenues they're now poaching. But then again, if we want to bring them into the fold because they have a better product and lower costs, and we're afraid of them, then why wouldn't the JV try to favor... the better product and lower costs?

In my mind, the bottom line is that there are very some serious scope issues looming at the large-gauge ("Super-Premium" for you Northies) end of the spectrum, and we're certainly not hearing a whole lot about them.

acl65pilot 03-16-2011 11:19 AM

Sink;
It also allows them to get rid of some of the 777-300's that just came off of leases.

In addition to that, it is a great way to connect the Middle East and siphon traffic away from DXB and its major tenant. Of course they may do a route our two to the US.

DAL 88 Driver 03-16-2011 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 965175)
If you want to have exclusive rights over questions addressed to anyone, including you, and you wish to ensure noone butts in to "your" conversations, then you're picking the wrong locale. No conversations are private here.

You know what? You're right. This is a public forum. But rude is rude, and an agenda is an agenda. I call it the way I see it.

Sink r8 03-16-2011 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 965207)
Sink;
It also allows them to get rid of some of the 777-300's that just came off of leases.

In addition to that, it is a great way to connect the Middle East and siphon traffic away from DXB and its major tenant. Of course they may do a route our two to the US.

The aspect that bothers me a lot is that they carry passengers between the US and Europe. If they were to add a lot of Indian feed, however, and India-EU and India-US traffic increased as a result, then it could be mutually advantageous, depending on how the long-haul flying was distributed. Furthermore, if you are correct about the 777-300's, and a snapshot could be set at an appropriate date, with appropriate restrictions going forward, even the EU-US flight, in proper proportion, might be acceptable. I think we agree that the consequences of a good or poor JV agreement are significant. And ultimately, regardless of the virtues of any particular agreement with a new JV/SkyTeam partner, the fact remains that each addition makes any single pilot group less relevant.

Sink r8 03-16-2011 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 965215)
You know what? You're right. This is a public forum. But rude is rude, and an agenda is an agenda. I call it the way I see it.

Fair enough.

tsquare 03-16-2011 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 965195)
The legal agreement is trade secret and not available without a NDA. It would be disastrous for that and the metrics to get out.

That said, there is a contract awareness bulletin in the file library about it.

I can understand that I guess, but how are we supposed to know whether or not it is being adhered to?

acl65pilot 03-16-2011 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 965226)
I can understand that I guess, but how are we supposed to know whether or not it is being adhered to?

We have two guys monitoring Domestic and International Code Share Compliance for the MEC. One has been there a while and the other one is a very smart and capable 2001 hire who I have a ton of respect for. Simply put, I trust em to do their jobs.


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