Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 965226)

I can understand that I guess, but how are we supposed to know whether or not it is being adhered to?

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 965218)

The aspect that bothers me a lot is that they carry passengers between the US and Europe. If they were to add a lot of Indian feed, however, and India-EU and India-US traffic increased as a result, then it could be mutually advantageous, depending on how the long-haul flying was distributed. Furthermore, if you are correct about the 777-300's, and a snapshot could be set at an appropriate date, with appropriate restrictions going forward, even the EU-US flight, in proper proportion, might be acceptable. I think we agree that the consequences of a good or poor JV agreement are significant. And ultimately, regardless of the virtues of any particular agreement with a new JV/SkyTeam partner, the fact remains that each addition makes any single pilot group less relevant.

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 965215)

You know what? You're right. This is a public forum. But rude is rude, and an agenda is an agenda. I call it the way I see it.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 965233)

We have two guys monitoring Domestic and International Code Share Compliance for the MEC. One has been there a while and the other one is a very smart and capable 2001 hire who I have a ton of respect for. Simply put, I trust em to do their jobs.

Originally Posted by sink r8 (Post 965234)

we're so deep in these nda/hush-hush kinds of agreements, that it's very difficult to even understand whether or not they're favorable, or even acceptable. I get vague but enthusuastic reassurances when i ask my reps (i haven't asked the new reps yet), but i don't know.

Maybe we should have a yearly report on what % of our (delta and skyteam) flying we're doing each year, which would cover scope at the lower and upper end, and confirmation it's all in agreement with our contract and the jv agreements. If delivery methods are a problem, even a yearly oral presentation at lec meetings (for those that can be troubled to attend) would suffice.

I think 44 is doing something like this, so it may be as simple as importing it to 66.

Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 965166)

Acl,

You seem to be taking a beating on here nowadays. You have to understand that no one on here is afraid of interacting with the union to make things better. Many of us have tried, some have succeeded, others have chosen to find other ways to advance our profession.

Our problem is that the positions you state seem to mirror the positions of the union and we don't like them. As pilots, we hate inaction in the face of a perceived wrong. We hate the notion of just giving up and accepting things without a fight.

How is it that you and the union can predetermine what a neutral third party might determine? How is it that you know that the K Admin will lay out the case with the lawyers, give me the facts, and then somehow maybe I will understand why it is the way it is?

It just seems that things are a little too "predetermined" around here.

If things are they way they are, and many Delta pilots don't like the way it is, then it's time to find a way to change how we operate.

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 965245)

Yeah, yearly. You want a text message when an RJ takes off or lands?