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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 965147)

I absolutely realize that is is possible. But we need to go Dubinsky on them if they think they will roll the dice and even maye casually roll in 4 or 500+ relative new hires blended into our Captain seniority levels. And Atlantic offers little beyond LHR. We've already sold our souls once for some slots, and now we are going to do it again? We need to do London to MCO with at least 3 or 4 widebodies a day, but at least one. Why can't we do ONE per day (and that fake flight number carry over with a plane change does NOT count) when the foreign carriers spam MCO with 4 engine jets hourly. And we can't do a single flight ourselves? UNSAT, and moreover a harbinger of how any VAtlantic deal would go. And the price for that might be a VAmerica windfall of epic proportions? Srsly?

With the first part, you are presupposing a SLI outcome. I would not do that, second, we could fight it if that is what the membership and the pilots wanted.

BTW Skyteam (AF) is going MCO-CDG starting this summer, so yes there is a response.

Is it just me, or does it seem that few of the people on this forum are grasping the fact that there has been MAJOR turnover in the LEC ranks, which has resulted in ousting many long-term reps and installing VOTING reps that are very vocal and clearly not happy with the statsu quo?

There is much discontent in the makeup of the LEC's, they were elected on the fuel of discontent that is all over the pilot group. I'm very confident in the direction that my new reps have started off and the systems they are putting in place to right the ship and make the union more transparent and more effective in dealing with the issues facing the pilots of Delta Air Lines.

We'll see the reality when the Sec. 6 openers are exchanged and the tone that the union sets in regards to unifying the pilots. I'm willing to give this group the opportunity to show that our unhappiness and our votes for new leadership were effective and that the message is heard loud and clear to all.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 965143)

Interesting idea, send it on up.

Bet ya a steak dinner that it would never see the light of day.

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 965145)

Bingo. That's neat that the negotiators spent so much time on the contract. However, our dues go to ALPA not to sell us on the contract up for vote, but to give us an appropriate in depth knowledge on the facts.

Appropriate knowledge vice a sell job is critical. Just look at the latest Pinnacle TA which was done in an identical manner. An "analysis" was presented to the group, but they very conveniently left out numerous very critical negative aspects of the contract. Sound familiar?

That is easy, demand full contract language. Also if you must, a resolution for a by-law/policy manual change directing it to be that way.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 965142)

Sensitive today? :D

No. The question didn't bother me at all. I have no problem justifying my answer to it. I was simply pointing out that you are out of line jumping in and answering a question for me like that. It is presumptuous, disrespectful, and like I said, none of your business.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 965151)

BTW Skyteam (AF) is going MCO-CDG starting this summer, so yes there is a response.

What is the response of which you speak? We will see yet another European carrier flying to Europe from MCO... and not one of ours? What do we get out of this?

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 965143)

Interesting idea, send it on up.

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 965141)

Yep. And any comprehensive TA needs to be presented without section 3. We first MEMRAT the TA without section 3, then, only if that passes, do we have another MEMRAT on the same TA with section 3. Both should have to pass and the MEC/NC should have zero problems sending it to us like that, unless they are planning on blindsiding us with a gold plated section 3 and holes elsewhere like 250+ large dual class RJ's, a 737 domestic coast to coast DCI knock off, treating Jet Airways like equals WRT ASM's, possible "company friendly" F&DT provisions that allow reduced crews if regs are changed to allow it, and other pesky fine print.

Get the other stuff right first, THEN send us section 3 to vote for, with SWA rates being the floor for MD80/737 sized equipment and up from there.

Let's talk. I would be willing to look into the legality (within ALPA C& BL), and if not, then sending a resolution up through multiple carriers to get that changed to allow a pilot group to have a vote in that manner....Then send up a resolution that has the TA presented to MEMRAT in the way you described.

There is possibly some complications in the RLA that would have to be worked around, and there will likely be a big pushback from people with NC experience. One other thing is that it opens pandora's box of having MEMRAT for every single section....That can get lengthy and expensive for the union, but it would be up to each pilot group. The one thing I see if you start separating pass/fail votes on different sections, it makes it easier to fragment the pilot group....Scope is more important to junior pilots, retirement is more important to senior pilots, depending on how the company structures each offer, they have opportunities to really divide and conquer us. There may be ways to structure it to avoid that, who knows.

I would be willing to talk more, PM if truly interested.

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 965160)

What is the response of which you speak? We will see yet another European carrier flying to Europe from MCO... and not one of ours? What do we get out of this?

MIA-LHR

BOS-CDG

BOS-LHR (2x every day)

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Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 965152)

I have little problem with DALPA.. it is the national anchor that bothers me.. I have stated that before.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 965015)

Like I said, file a grievance and start the process. If you want a group grievance, go for it. Prior to going to the company though, the Contract Admin will lay out the case with the lawyers and give you the facts. After this has transpired, maybe people will understand why it is the way it is.

Just because it is this way does not mean I like it. If you recall, I was irked when RJET bought MEH, and wanted what you want. I read the facts and was shown the reality of the situation.

Best one can hope for is that they go down to one certificate, or jets larger than 76 seats are operated on a certificate that operates our flying. To date that is not happening.

As for CHQ flying and the 145, they do not fly jets larger than 76 seats.

Acl,

You seem to be taking a beating on here nowadays. You have to understand that no one on here is afraid of interacting with the union to make things better. Many of us have tried, some have succeeded, others have chosen to find other ways to advance our profession.

Our problem is that the positions you state seem to mirror the positions of the union and we don't like them. As pilots, we hate inaction in the face of a perceived wrong. We hate the notion of just giving up and accepting things without a fight.

How is it that you and the union can predetermine what a neutral third party might determine? How is it that you know that the K Admin will lay out the case with the lawyers, give me the facts, and then somehow maybe I will understand why it is the way it is?

It just seems that things are a little too "predetermined" around here.

If things are they way they are, and many Delta pilots don't like the way it is, then it's time to find a way to change how we operate.