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I ask because if the company was excited about a fractured group shouldn't the DPA be welcomed with open arms and a DPA membership drop box be allowed instead of blocked?

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Carl

Carl Spackler

07-21-2011 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1026696)

Strange that the guy giving them half-price legal advice (unless they win, then he gets back pay) says otherwise.

Actually, he doesn't. But this is just another example of your incredible distortion of the facts. Here is the video in question for all to reach their own conclusion. It's a bit long, but it's well worth the 7+ minutes. You'll see ALPA in all its glory. Distorting the video and Lee Seham's words by blatant edits:

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1026696)

Who should we believe, the DPA FAQ that says a list isn't changeable or their lawyer that says seniority is always subject to collective bargaining?

Watch the video and hear it for yourself.

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1026696)

Confusing, isn't it!:rolleyes:

Only to the ALPA apologists who are trying to confuse an issue that is crystal clear. And that issue is: An SLI is not changeable once management agrees to abide by the SLI, and the two operations combine. Keep trying slowplay. You're unwittingly providing a valuable service for fact finding and having members reach their own logical conclusions.

Carl

forgot to bid

07-21-2011 08:59 PM

For a laugh,

after about a minute it gets pretty good especially when it comes to arm rests, everyone rushing the boarding gate, overhead bins and the moving walkways.

Carl Spackler

07-21-2011 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1026710)

The difference between Seham's comments and DPA's FAQ are not reconcilable. That much I do understand. One of them is lying and they are in an attorney client relationship.

Lee Seham is 100% correct, and DPA's FAQ is 100% correct. Totally reconcilable. Any viewing of the video in question and the DPA website will agree. Only the most venal of ALPA apologists could "view" it any other way.

Carl

Carl Spackler

07-21-2011 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Reroute (Post 1026712)

Not true Carl, not according to DPA/USAPA attorney Seham.

According to DPA/USAPA lead attorney. He said "seniority is subject to negotiation." "Seniority is always subject to collective bargaining." DPA attorney Seham. Start about 4 minutes in.

Again, Seham is 100% correct. He is speaking to a group of USAir/AWA pilots in the context of their SLI. In their situation, seniority IS negotiable. In the very next sentence, he says: "It is EXTREMELY unlikely though." Again this is in regard to THEIR circumstance. With regard to OUR circumstance, seniority is NOT negotiable. Why? Because management has agreed to abide by the SLI AND our operations are combined.

I know you know this, you're just trying to fan flames. I think most people see through this. Now as I've said before, run off to your ALPA lawyers and ask them to show you the legal precedent that proves me wrong. You'll be such a hero!

Carl

Carl Spackler

07-21-2011 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1026713)

So brings up a good point, can the SLI be amended or not?

It cannot. There is no legal vehicle to do so, and there is no legal precedent to give to a court. I'm not sure we pilots would have the legal right to do so even if we all agreed to the change. There's simply no legal framework from which to work.

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1026713)

I tend to agree with Carl, I don't see how in the world it would ever be allowed to be amended. After all, who was it that put out the SLI? DALPA or arbitrators? So are we to think the DPA can plausibly undo an arbitrated SLI? How?

It cannot be done. It is nothing but the latest attempt at ALPA scare tactics.

Carl

Carl Spackler

07-21-2011 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1026716)

It'd be far more interesting if it was a court filing to discuss and not a youtube video, is there one?

Oh man...why would you ask our ALPA apologists such a hard question?

Carl

Carl Spackler

07-21-2011 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Reroute (Post 1026719)

Would DPA's law firm count. According to DPA's law firm "seniority is "always" subject to collective bargaining. I'm just saying........

It is ALWAYS subject to collective bargaining...in the context of the USAir/AWA merger. Because their operations were never combined. That's the difference and it is all the difference in the world. Lee is 100% correct. But again, I know you know that. It's just ALPA's latest attempt to save their skin through distortion. Nothing new.

Carl

hoserpilot

07-21-2011 09:40 PM

So can we have the latest and greatest thread back now? This has turned into a flightinfo thread. Move the dpa stuff to the dpa union thread. Let's talk about the slot swap and potential new bodies.....and underboob. This thread has sucked for three days.

forgot to bid

07-21-2011 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by hoserpilot (Post 1026738)

I was thinking about the slot swap, excited about a new terminal but before I jump for joy do we have the numbers yet on what would be mainline and how much would be DCI?

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