Correct, and many pilots are judging ALPA on the last decade. Not one legacy carrier has had a successful completion of a section 6 in many years.

It is also time to realize we work for a successful international airline, and with that fact, it is time to move beyond bankruptcy type of agreements.

Furthermore, if it is the desire of some to go in to a 3-5% per year bump, that may be a acceptable way to go, but the base needs to be reset about that of SWA before doing so.

AMEN, brotha ACL!

Clamp,

You are -and always will be- my hero.

If I wanted to send money to the Lefties, I'd channel it through Hollywood instead of ALPA-PAC. Two movie tickets at a time.

Good point. Impending liquidation is another cause.

Thank Check, Uncle, and ACL for the responses on the rest day guys. Appreciate the info. As it stands, it's looking like I'm ripe for a 4 day that starts well after noon on the 28th. If I get a call for anything reporting less than 12 hours after my rest ends I'll call the office for an official ruling before I acknowledge and report back.

Nevermind. My sense of humor dulls significantly after 10 PM....

You're still ignoring the point. TWA is the point. Jury verdicts are the point. Making things up about impending liquidation is just ignorance.

Anyone else notice the stunning silence of Pineapple Guy and the other usual suspects over the TWA verdict?

Famous movie quote: "If you build it, they will come."
Famous ALPA quote: "If you ignore it, it never happened."

Carl

Pineapple,

We all know of the external circumstances. We all know how bankruptcy sucks. We were there.

But, ACL was talking about a distrust that some members are feeling about what they are hearing (or, not hearing) from ALPA.

I believe it would go a long way if -- instead of you and others looking to the past to come up with reasons as to why we are where we are -- you looked to today and the future as to why we can do better and should ask for more (a lot more).

DPA is out there because something just doesn't feel right and this is the heart of the matter. Why is ANY Delta pilot defending our current state so close to openers? We are paid too little, and we don't do enough of our flying. Period.

If we are where we are because of a bankruptcy that occurred, fine. Due in large part to us, the company is out of bankruptcy and it's time to secure our flying and pay. Period.

If you and/or a few other guys would just once say, "I believe we should open with SWA pay for our 88 drivers - plus 10%, and make a big play at re-capturing 70 seat flying...."

1.) Carl (the real one) would fall out of his seat,

2.) DAL 88 would spit coffee all over his computer screen,

3.) You would be stating what a vast majority of DAL pilots believe, &

4.) The DPA would be forced to wait to pass judgment on ALPA until openers.


DALPA cannot defend itself from the DPA by attacking it or its supporters, or even rationalizing why we are where we are. DALPA can only defend itself by representing Delta pilots right now and getting a kick ass contract with SWA type payrates and iron clad scope.

I believe you have to start enunciating this ^^^^ more.

Come on. Just say something like that, just one time. Please.

Even if #4 didn't occur, wouldn't #1 be worth it to you? ;)

How many points does 80 get for posting pictures of a girl in a bikini that was painted on?

Probably fewer than you think. Notice it's cnnsi, you can look the photos up. 80 is holding out. There are a lot better pictures.

Just saying.

Bro's before Eskimos.