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slowplay 04-12-2011 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 979341)
Is that the best you've got?

Regarding what?:confused:

I just find it strange that a guy advocating for open elections for President also would prefer Teamsters, whose affairs aren't even run by seniority list pilots.

DAL 88 Driver 04-12-2011 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 979325)
Irked enough to get involved, and run for a Status Rep position and become one of the policy makers. Irked enough to put your reps feet to the fire?

That is what is needed if you feel this strongly about something.

Okay... back on the ground now. Continuing...

Why don't you address the issue instead of the same tired old deflection strategy of asking someone why they don't run for office. If everyone who had a strong opinion ran for office, we would have thousands of pilots running for office. How would you ever sort it out with so many campaign letters, etc.? The point is that not everyone can or should run for office. Some people are more cut out for that sort of thing than others, while some may just not have any desire whatsoever to serve in some kind of official capacity. But that doesn't mean their input is any less valuable or any less valid. So, again ACL, address the issue. Tell us all why this is not a scope violation and how ALPA is doing a great job protecting our jobs and making sure we get compensated appropriately for what we do.

gloopy 04-12-2011 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 979309)
That picture googles my penis.

I just want to yahoo her facebook profile.

DAL 88 Driver 04-12-2011 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by satchip (Post 979332)
So are you one of the two DPA reps? Have you contacted them and volunteered to be one? How 'bout a communications volunteer for the DPA? You certainly communicate a lot here...:rolleyes:

Is that all you got? Why don't you enlighten all of us about how this Republic thing is not a violation of scope and how DALPA is doing such a great job maximizing our job protections and compensation? Oh, I forgot, you aren't getting furloughed (so far)... so your objectives have been met. Maybe you should run for office to make sure it stays that way. Just a thought! :eek:

satchip 04-12-2011 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 979355)
Is that all you got? Why don't you enlighten all of us about how this Republic thing is not a violation of scope and how DALPA is doing such a great job maximizing our job protections and compensation? Oh, I forgot, you aren't getting furloughed (so far)... so your objectives have been met. Maybe you should run for office to make sure it stays that way. Just a thought! :eek:

I sure has heck do think it's a scope violation. I'm just not going to support a cabal of unknown power grabbers. I'm also not going to jump up and down and demand a %50 pay raise because that's what they made in the '60s.

I haven't been around long enough to have a collective memory and a predisposition to hate my union. I'm willing to wait and see what happens in the next year or so. I'm fairly compensated, have better work rules, and better seniority and options than any other carrier, except for Southwest. Our contract is about to improve (barring any catastrophic world events) and they are nearing the end of their gravy train or at least some slowdowns. Overall I think we are in a pretty good position.

You're right, I didn't get furloughed during the worst economy and highest unemployment since the Great Depression. In your long and storied airline carreer, can you think of one instance where an airline didn't furlough under similar circumstances? That is my number one objective, job security. I don't have enough time left to make up for lost years in a furlough. Something you don't have to worry about.

forgot to bid 04-12-2011 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 979309)
That picture googles my penis.

That's funny on so many levels.


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 979316)
If this doesn't prompt people to send in their DPA cards and start advocating this to others, I don't know what would. If ALPA doesn't have our backs on the big stuff (pay and scope), the good work they do on some of the little stuff doesn't really matter that much, does it? And anyway, I think $30 million in dues per year could easily cover the little stuff, some of which is already outsourced. ALPA is broken and continues to prove that it's not fixable. Every time I start to get a glimmer of hope, they do something else like this Republic thing. Sorry... but all this talk about improved communications and listening to the line pilots is just a bunch of smoke and mirrors. They are continuing with the Lee Moak philosophy and are determined that nothing is going to derail them from it.

Sorry for the rant, but this just really p*sses me off!


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 979339)
Yet you'd put in a Teamster's card that would put a "business agent" in charge...

Nice vote there...

I haven't voted... yet. ;)

I want to vote for President of DALPA. If Slowplay runs, I might vote for him. I just want the right to vote for the top so that changes go top down not bottom up.

That would allow for change and a direct voice. If we see nothing mention or done about the STS for RAH then I'm fine with either the DPA or IBT as in a "can't be any worse."

scambo1 04-12-2011 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 979372)
That's funny on so many levels.





I haven't voted... yet. ;)

I want to vote for President of DALPA. If Slowplay runs, I might vote for him. I just want the right to vote for the top so that changes go top down not bottom up.

That would allow for change and a direct voice. If we see nothing mention or done about the STS for RAH then I'm fine with either the DPA or IBT as in a "can't be any worse."


That is what it boils down to.

Sink r8 04-12-2011 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 979336)
I fly in general pretty good trips. I often have reserve pilots on those trips. The flew a 3 day Athens where both co pilots were reserves. That will never happen with a last minute swap policy. But what the heck. Since I am senior lets go for it. It will insure I never fly any bad trips. At least once a month I see something covered at the last minute I would have preferred to what I am flying. Since all the reserves seem to feel my comment was way off then lets go for last minute swaps. It sounds like its a win for line holders and a win for reserves. I would certainly like it!

Feeling a little over-sensitive? You highlighted a clear rationale for the way things are, and if anyone slammed you for it, I missed it. I think we can make Reserves better, without the artificial tool of steering the open time their way. I assume the person who would have swapped into the ATH would have given up something reasonable, and that person might have dropped a DUB, which would be decent. And maybe someone would jump on that, and maybe they wouldn't. I assume not everyone would be constantly trying to improve their lot, so the Reserves wouldn't be flying the absolute worse trips possible, and many people would have shot at a slight upgrade. Also, I think it might be a good idea to stop the swaps at the limit between LC and SC (i.e. 12 hours). I haven't thought it through fully, but that seems like it would be a good compromise.

Sink r8 04-12-2011 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 979372)
That would allow for change and a direct voice. If we see nothing mention or done about the STS for RAH then I'm fine with either the DPA or IBT as in a "can't be any worse."

I defy you to explain how it "can't be any any worse" under DPA. You might hope it wouldn't be worse. There are plenty of logical arguments to suggest it could fall in somewhere between bad, and right down terrible. I'll start:

1) USAPA.

I'd give you more leeway under an IBT scenario. They seem to have a better track record.

Sink r8 04-12-2011 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 979316)
If this doesn't prompt people to send in their DPA cards and start advocating this to others, I don't know what would.

I'll tell you what would do trigger such a move: my instincts stopping to warn me that everything about DPA screams "AVOID". You're making the case for better scope language, and you're on ALPA's case, but I don't see anything about your argument that makes me feel DPA would be a good alternative. In fact, I find your leap of logic a bit suspect.


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