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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 979557)

ALPA would just "receive" all of their cute little suggestions, and you know that. You're offering up a way to funnel all that DPA energy into a box canyon of failure. Do you really think we don't know that?

But only if that engagement is within the confines of ALPA...right?:rolleyes:

Translation: Do anything you want...just do it within ALPA.

Carl

Carl;
If you think that 2000+ organized guys with an agenda within ALPA is boxing you in, then I guess you do not understand what power a group like that WITHIN DALPA would have. That is fine, leaving the current process to peruse an independent union take away the traditional check and balance.

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 979573)

I'll refresh your memory. The post-strike contract inlcluded increases in pay, furlough protection, better trip rig, better per diem, better vacation, and better sick leave protections just to name a few.

Yeah...why did we bother. :rolleyes:

Carl

My recollection is that the pre-strike contract offer contained those, as well, except for a minor pay bump post-strike. And that was my point. I could be wrong, but it was 13 years and several airline-lifetimes ago. All of those gains have gone the way of the dinosaur. Rehashing it now is not relevant.

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 979573)

And no B scale.

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Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 979277)

Anyone seen NewK recently?

Iceland's penis museum finally gets human specimen
RAPHAEL G. SATTER
From Associated Press
April 12, 2011 11:44 AM EDT

LONDON (AP) — In life, Pall Arason sought attention. In death, he is getting it: The 95-year-old Icelander's pickled penis will be the main attraction in one of his country's most bizarre museums.

I'm right here, buzz!!! :eek:

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Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 979285)

Ahh, but I was googling NewK, and penis came up.

Hey wait. :cool:

:D

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Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 979640)

And no B scale.

This was huge. Personally, it put over 100k in my pocket.

So, yas, I'd say it was worth it.

Nu

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Originally Posted by satchip (Post 979575)

I don't assign value to my professional skills, the market place does. It's not really oil and management incompetence that has impacted our career earnings. The biggest factor is deregulation. In a regulated market carriers were guaranteed profits and had little competition on routes. That market no longer exists.

As to our management's competence or lack there of, very few managers could effectively navigate today's pseudo regulated market where government has an ulterior motive and plays favorites. Ex, LGA slot swap.

I'm the second highest paid 4th year 737 pilot in the US. How is that not fairly compensated? Could it be more, sure. But it ain't gonna be 50% more, at least here in Literalville.

Aren't the highlighted portions above indeed the problem. Isn't the "intrinsic value" of a pilot the same today as it was 40 years ago? Are we any less trained, experienced, responsible, professional, and in the end, when the poop hits the fan, the only ones who are left holding the bag as we were 40 years ago?
What is the value of a CEO, a lawyer, a doctor? Don't they all work in a deregulated market?
In 2010 DAL MADE 733 MILLION DOLLARS on bag fees. A fee that DID NOT EXIST 40 years ago. Where did all that money go. That's right spread out to ALL DAL employees................. (they did take a 40% pay cut and had their pensions terminated right?)
It's time as individuals, as professionals and as a UNION to set the MINIMUM bar of what a professional pilot NEEDS to be paid. Not what is "fairly compensated".............

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 979570)

Knock it off tsquare. You're sounding like a short tempered jerk.

Carl

Sorry Carl, but it's not relevant. We all know that NWA went on strike, and we... well I anyway, don't care. It doesn't mean anything.

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Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 979595)

ts,

What's more important than the fact that we went on strike is the fact that we will do it again. BFD for sure. :D

dream dream dream

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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin (Post 979691)

Very well said! And we need people working in this profession who understand this and can respect it. (Amazes me that I would even have to say that.)

I agree, Call Rick, he can explain it better than anyone else can. We may as pilots see RJET, the holding company as a single air carrier. If or when Shuttle America (the branch doing our 170 flying) starts to fly coded F9 flying, then I do believe that beyond a shadow of a doubt that something may exist. That is unless of course F9 contracts with them to provide lift........

If you do not like the answers you get, file your own grievance. It may never get the traction you want, but it is your right.[/QUOTE]

So, why have a section on scope? Why retain the lawyers that didn't see this coming?

As for grievances, that don't seem to work at DALPA.

Jim