That is a common mistake PG, and it is the key point in this discussion. If you don't believe me, go hire a lawyer and put a contract in front them. After they've read it, ask him/her to give you the facts...just the facts. That lawyer will tell you that they can only give you an OPINION of what the contract states, and that the FACTS can only be determined after a judges ruling and all appeals have been exhausted.

Again, this is key to the topic at hand. ALPA national is standing behind the OPINIONS of their lawyers and do not wish to take this to a judge where the actual FACTS can be determined. I have my opinions as to why ALPA is doing this, but I've stated them to death here.

Carl

 

There is no change from the previous number. These "new" jets were to be CPS jets, but now are RJET jets. Number still stands as it did a few months ago. On a new computer so it will take some time to pull that number, but memory tells me they still have over 25 to go.

 

Ha quite true.

 

80, I too agree no increase in the number of allowed jets, not increase of the seat count. No one has the stomach for that, and the company know it.

 

With all the posts sometimes you can miss a few. So I'll repost this exchange:

Quote:
Originally Posted by slowplay
Oh, and how many hours was the average Delta pilot compensated last year? 87 hours per month.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Now that's a figure I've not seen anywhere. Where can I independently verify that number?

Carl

 

Nevermind.

 

Take away points from the RJET announcement:

• As I've previously explained, Delta's capital expenditure constraints are going to push the company to outsource more flying. Much as a Fraternity with no budget for a party throws a BYOB event, Delta wants capacity BYOJet. Even in the case of the NWA merger, Delta wanted airplanes it did not have to pay for.
• RJET's branded flying is not going well. Frontier's E Jet deliveries are being delayed, yet it still siphoned off airplanes for this new flying.
• ALPA's course of conduct has been absolutely clear:

- This was defined as non Delta flying in previous versions of DAL scope
- NWA's MEC also defined that the E170/175 was to be operated property via their contract negotiations
- The Delta MEC divested Compass, reiterating this was not "Delta" flying
- The Delta MEC Chairman conceded additional aircraft while making road show presentations which touted the benefits of outsourcing

Anyone who thinks ALPA is going to pursue a grievance, or even object, just has not been paying attention.

Yeah, I told you so. My prognostication that the narrow body RFP will be effected by Delta's CapEx constraints stands. Again, I reiterate our MEC needs scope that focuses on PILOTS not airplanes. We need to define Delta flying inclusively and broadly. We need "Delta" pilots regardless of who's leases the airplanes.

 

I'm a lurker who cares very little and is easily paid off by wages that seem "decent" but even I am starting to get a little po'd about this outsourcing. Seriously.

 

Interesting:
First, what do you call a jet airliner with less than 30 seats?

Second, what then shall we call the E170 with a maximum single classing seating capacity of 80 passengers and the E175 with a two class seating capacity of 78 seats?

Third, the future queen of England? We can all hope so.

 

Me, ftb, ACL, and newK are all dressed up and ready for the royal wedding!