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Ball Breaker 06-09-2011 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1005963)
I spent a lot of time looking at this at the time of the merger, and it looked like the fNWA pilots actually bid for the biggest piece of equipment they could hold. It was more blurry for the senior WB F/O's, some of whom went for QOL, but everyone else looked a lot more "stovepiped" than DAL. If you think about it, you're proving it when you say more DAL pilots were above their stovepipe level.

With that said, I think you're correct: this could go all kinds of directions, and the fact remains that the natural progression is towards categories that were not "stovepiped". The bases nearest large population centers of the country, i.e. ATL/LA/SEA/NYC are getting more senior, and the midwest is getting more junior.

All depends on how you spell junior. This will drive equipment more senior in MSP. Lots off A330A's going to 7ERA..... A330B's to A320A/MD88A..... Then you get the trickle down displacements after the A330 displacements. This will drive you relatively more junior in this midwest base. Not good news for MSP types.

80ktsClamp 06-09-2011 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1006003)
Huh. If you're thinking about the bus then maybe I'll just stick with the 737 and move up a number. How about Bar? What're your thoughts? Can I move up 2 numbers?

I almost feel like I'm sitting at the poker table . . . .

I'll be doing my usual matrix of weighting seniority % vs. position to ensure that I bid what I want and want what I bid.

My wanting of the 73N though lessens as each day passes. This trip I'm flying with one of the "notorious 3" captains, although he is doing a nice job of restraining himself of his old ways that gave him his nickname. :)

80ktsClamp 06-09-2011 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by Ball Breaker (Post 1006031)
All depends on how you spell junior. This will drive equipment more senior in MSP. Lots off A330A's going to 7ERA..... A330B's to A320A/MD88A..... Then you get the trickle down displacements after the A330 displacements. This will drive you relatively more junior in this midwest base. Not good news for MSP types.

Welcome to what we've experienced the past 2.5 years in ATL. ;)

tsquare 06-09-2011 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1006047)
Welcome to what we've experienced the past 2.5 years in ATL. ;)

... and NY

80ktsClamp 06-09-2011 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by Nosmo King (Post 1005459)
One other thing about an ATL A330 base, and this is total guesswork, I looked at the flying originating and ending in ATL on the A330.

The Good:

HNL - year round
CDG - seasonal
FRA - seasonal, so far 2 months then gone for 2011
DUB - seasonal, so far 2 months
FCO - seasonal
BCN - seasonal
AMS - year round


The Bad and the Ugly:

ACC - seems to be full time A330
DKR - seasonal
ABV via DKR
ROB via DKR
LOS - Feb thru October then back to 777


To achieve full savings of opening a base, I assumed that all trips starting and/or ending in ATL to be flown by ATL based pilots. (I had to start somewhere) My personal criteria is that I not be at risk for any MED flying during PBS runs.

My conclusion is that I am going to let someone else bid ATL because the sheer amount of bad MED flying far outweighs the seasonal good stuff. Good news for you junior guys that want to bid it in ATL. I would rather have a bad commute than a bad destination.


Just thought I'd remind everyone of this.

A330 bad. Tail fall off.

Give you malaria. Here's a picture:

http://www.todayifoundout.com/wp-con...to_malaria.png

Too Tall 06-09-2011 05:47 PM

Question for those more in the know than me. I'm bottom of the barrel MSP88B, can I be bumped out of my position on this AE even though there are no surpluses for MSP88B? Thanks

tsquare 06-09-2011 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by Too Tall (Post 1006060)
Question for those more in the know than me. I'm bottom of the barrel MSP88B, can I be bumped out of my position on this AE even though there are no surpluses for MSP88B? Thanks

Yes. it is possible.

capncrunch 06-09-2011 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by Too Tall (Post 1006060)
Question for those more in the know than me. I'm bottom of the barrel MSP88B, can I be bumped out of my position on this AE even though there are no surpluses for MSP88B? Thanks

Yes. Always have a displacement bid in even if you don't think you'll get displaced. Better for you to decide where you go than to leave it to the company. Also, with big changes like this AE you never know how the displacement waterfall will flow. Best to cover your A$$ and have a displacement plan/bid in.

80ktsClamp 06-09-2011 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 1006064)
Yes. Always have a displacement bid in even if you don't think you'll get displaced. Better for you to decide where you go than to leave it to the company. Also, with big changes like this AE you never know how the displacement waterfall will flow. Best to cover your A$$ and have a displacement plan/bid in.

Sage advice. With very senior displacements come pages of cascades. It depends on where planning decides to absorb it.

Too Tall 06-09-2011 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 1006064)
Yes. Always have a displacement bid in even if you don't think you'll get displaced. Better for you to decide where you go than to leave it to the company. Also, with big changes like this AE you never know how the displacement waterfall will flow. Best to cover your A$$ and have a displacement plan/bid in.

Well I'm trying to get to ATL so maybe I will get lucky, thanks for the advice.


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