Originally Posted by dragon (Post 1017330)

FERD, you're right in that you can't PS on SkyWest or ASA, but you're wrong about the front end deviation.

You can book your own front end PS through travelnet under company business. If you are on your way over an ocean and a need BE seat, you have to book yourself in coach and then call the CPSC.

Hope it helps.

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1017367)

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So a SWAPA publication to a group they are merging with is the "burning bush" and an ALPA publication needs to be "watched closely." Got it.:rolleyes:

Nice double standard...:(

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1017407)

If we want a number to justify the biggest raises possible...

Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1017152)

ALPA vs DPA

ALPA
1) Represents Delta, regionals and other competitors
2) 1.95% dues
3) President/Chairman is chosen by a small group
4) Refuses to publish MEC Flight Pay Loss data for 2010
5) Designated (PWA 24.J.3.) Reps are paid by the company
6) Reps are not required to fly specific amounts
7) President compensated $498K in 2010
8) President has a $6,500/month housing allowance
9) President has a $1,300/month plus fuel car allowance
10) Designated Reps earn 92 hr guarantee plus $1000 over-ride plus green slips/paid what they could hold, not bid
11) Reps may drop trips for ALPA work over holidays
12) $1.67M in expenses in 2010 for 12 DALPA meetings
13) $329/night each for 80 rooms (Westin Times Square NYC)
14) Spent $124,500 on meeting food/drink for 5 days in NYC
15) Meetings held in resort destinations (FLL, MCO, LAS)
16) Dues dollars used to buy alcohol at meetings
17) Dues directly subsidize regional competition
18) Political voice abused - Pushed AGE 65 majority opposed
19) Attorneys shared by competition
20) Pays DFR lawsuit settlements to competition
21) Regionals have right to comment on DAL scope proposals
22) Leaders move on to management jobs
23) Survey results kept secret
24) Pilot negotiators backed by shared/conflicted attorneys
25) Base reps - varied demographics and base size
26) Oil portrait of all ALPA Presidents required by Nat’l policy

DPA
1) Represents Delta Pilots exclusively
2) 1% dues goal
3) President/Reps are elected by membership
4) Open finances accessible by all members
5) Reps are paid out of member dues and earned flying
6) Reps fly a half line minimum (stays tuned to line needs)
7) Leader/Reps compensation modeled after SWAPA
8) Housing allowances modeled after SWAPA
9) Transportation allowances modeled after SWAPA
10) Reps pay modeled after SWAPA, at rate actually bid for, ensuring greater empathy for the block represented
11) No regular association business/trip drops on holidays
12) Majority of routine work done over teleconference
13) Hotels like crew layovers/Focused on wise use of dues
14) Focused on wise use of member dues
15) Meetings held in crew base locations only
16) Reps purchase own alcohol at meetings
17) Dues used exclusively for benefit of Delta pilots
18) Influence used solely to respect Delta pilot mandates
19) Exclusively focused attorneys - no conflicts of interest
20) Association not responsible for representing others
21) No other airline has a say in Delta contract proposals
22) Five year non-compete clause
23) Survey results posted
24) Professional negotiators backed by pilots
25) Seniority Block reps - uniform size/similar demographics
26) Digital photograph of President more than sufficient

Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin (Post 1017436)

always a cold beer in my hand, warm supper every night and relations every night. Funny how marriage changed all those promises:D

Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 1017363)

And there are RJ pilots making $150K/year. Purely outliers and isn't really germane as it doesn't apply to the vast majority. I also have many buds at SWA and they've all said the data is accurate and not embellished. Average really IS $230K for CAs and NOT while flying 18 days/month. Average 3 day credits 21 hours and average 4 days credit 28-29 vs. the min of 19.5/26. Reserves 15 days off and average line days off is 17-18, not 12-13 as you mentioned.
The best apples-to-apples is average days worked/off and average W-2. A small group of people making $300K or one FO making $200K is absolutely meaningless. :)

Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1017431)

Hey Jack,
I haven't read a single post past yours so I'm sure this is already covered, but...
Your comparison isn't really a fair comparison as you listed everything wrong with ALPA (IYO) and everything right with DPA (IYO). Why not throw some benefits of ALPA and draw backs to DPA?
I'm no ALPA cheerleader but you gotta keep it "Fair and Unbalanced".
Cheers

Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1017152)

ALPA vs DPA

26) Oil portrait of all ALPA Presidents required by Nat’l policy