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Carl Spackler 07-03-2011 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1017267)
• Industry leading B737 Pay Rates. SWA Captains average over $230,000 and First Officers average over $140,000.

• Approximately the last five years, SWA pilots averaged 105 “Trips For Pay” (TFP) per month, or about 1260 TFP per year.

• Approximately the last five years, SWA pilots averaged just over 18 days off per month.

• Per Diem rates are among the highest in the industry: $2.15 per hour away from base.

• SWAPA considers our Duty and Trip Rigs to be the strongest in the industry, as they protect pilot productivity and efficiency.

• Minimum Daily guarantee is 6.5 TFP; Ex., a 3-day trip pays a minimum of 19.5 TFP.

• Duty hour rig is .74 TFP per hour, minimum.

• Reserve guarantee is 90 TFP per month; but actual months pay average around 105 TFP.

• Reserves are allowed to pick-up extra flying.

• Holidays pay 150 percent.

• Open Time trips pay up to 150 percent.

• Junior “forced” assignment pays 200 percent.

Sigh....

Carl

Flamer 07-03-2011 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1017267)
• Industry leading B737 Pay Rates. SWA Captains average over $230,000 and First Officers average over $140,000.

• Approximately the last five years, SWA pilots averaged 105 “Trips For Pay” (TFP) per month, or about 1260 TFP per year.

• Approximately the last five years, SWA pilots averaged just over 18 days off per month.

• Per Diem rates are among the highest in the industry: $2.15 per hour away from base.

• SWAPA considers our Duty and Trip Rigs to be the strongest in the industry, as they protect pilot productivity and efficiency.

• Minimum Daily guarantee is 6.5 TFP; Ex., a 3-day trip pays a minimum of 19.5 TFP.

• Duty hour rig is .74 TFP per hour, minimum.

• Reserve guarantee is 90 TFP per month; but actual months pay average around 105 TFP.

• Reserves are allowed to pick-up extra flying.

• Holidays pay 150 percent.

• Open Time trips pay up to 150 percent.

• Junior “forced” assignment pays 200 percent.

This flyer, which was given to the airtran pilots by SWAPA, should be printed and placed in every DAL pilots container. Daily.

Ferd149 07-03-2011 09:34 AM

I think I read that we can't positive space deviate deadhead on Skywest (either front or back end). Do I remember correctly?

Also, only the CPSC and book a front end deviation at this time? Is this still correct?

Ferd

DAL 88 Driver 07-03-2011 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 1017292)
This flyer, which was given to the airtran pilots by SWAPA, should be printed and placed in every DAL pilots container. Daily.

The thing that will be interesting is when DALPA comes out with this "contract comparison" they say they're working on. Will this SWA info be prominently featured? Or will they sweep it under the rug and/or try to rationalize some explanation of why it supposedly isn't relevant to us? Many of us will be watching this one closely.

dragon 07-03-2011 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1017323)
I think I read that we can't positive space deviate deadhead on Skywest (either front or back end). Do I remember correctly?

Also, only the CPSC and book a front end deviation at this time? Is this still correct?

Ferd

FERD, you're right in that you can't PS on SkyWest or ASA, but you're wrong about the front end deviation.

You can book your own front end PS through travelnet under company business. If you are on your way over an ocean and a need BE seat, you have to book yourself in coach and then call the CPSC.

Hope it helps.

sailingfun 07-03-2011 09:44 AM

I have a lot of friends at SWA. Some of that was embellished just a bit. Like the averaging over 18 days off. The pilots making 230K a year are working 18 days a month. The average 18 days off is on the basic original lines and counts months with vacation. To earn 230 K you have to fly extra time. The same happens at Delta. We have had in the last year pilots break 50K in one month. There will be a number of pilots at Delta who break 300 K this year. I flew with 7ER copilot who made 200K last year. If I simply flew my basic line at Delta and counted in vacation and all the DH deviations I probably average working under 10 days a month unless I choose to pick up overtime.
I am ahead of my peers at SW in compensation this year and have worked less. I have however had some very lucky breaks with trip assignments and dropped trips. Its always nice to get triple pay.

hoserpilot 07-03-2011 09:52 AM

Anyone have any info about TOC tours? I want to take my 17 yr old nephew for a tour. Do you have to plan this in advance or can I just show up at the gate. I heard the engine shop is pretty cool. Do we need a mechanic to show us around or can we just wander and gawk. Pm me please and than you.

Hoser

Flamer 07-03-2011 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1017331)
I have a lot of friends at SWA. Some of that was embellished just a bit. Like the averaging over 18 days off. The pilots making 230K a year are working 18 days a month. The average 18 days off is on the basic original lines and counts months with vacation. To earn 230 K you have to fly extra time. The same happens at Delta. We have had in the last year pilots break 50K in one month. There will be a number of pilots at Delta who break 300 K this year. I flew with 7ER copilot who made 200K last year. If I simply flew my basic line at Delta and counted in vacation and all the DH deviations I probably average working under 10 days a month unless I choose to pick up overtime.
I am ahead of my peers at SW in compensation this year and have worked less. I have however had some very lucky breaks with trip assignments and dropped trips. Its always nice to get triple pay.

Ok.....well take note that DAL did not provide a "look how good you are going to have it" brochure to NWA pilots. That should tell you something right there.

Of course you have to look at days off on an annual basis....which counts vacation. And your SWA buddies will turn one week of their vacation into three weeks of yours. Swaptamizer. I'm telling you man.....their contract is good. We shouldn't have to count on random good deals and triple pay to get close to their median salary.

DAL 88 Driver 07-03-2011 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1017331)
I have a lot of friends at SWA. Some of that was embellished just a bit. Like the averaging over 18 days off. The pilots making 230K a year are working 18 days a month. The average 18 days off is on the basic original lines and counts months with vacation. To earn 230 K you have to fly extra time. The same happens at Delta. We have had in the last year pilots break 50K in one month. There will be a number of pilots at Delta who break 300 K this year. I flew with 7ER copilot who made 200K last year. If I simply flew my basic line at Delta and counted in vacation and all the DH deviations I probably average working under 10 days a month unless I choose to pick up overtime.
I am ahead of my peers at SW in compensation this year and have worked less. I have however had some very lucky breaks with trip assignments and dropped trips. Its always nice to get triple pay.

And you of course have proof of this, right?

The data in the SWAPA welcome document to the ValuTran pilots seems pretty straightforward to me. Read it again. I don't think you can explain it away that easily. And I highly doubt they have their facts wrong as I'm sure they have access to the actual data.

Where did your data come from? Anecdotal evidence from talking with a few of your friends? Sorry, but I think I'll go with the official numbers published by the folks who have access to the actual data... not a guy on an anonymous web board who constantly argues against any kind of restorative increases for our pilot group.

dragon 07-03-2011 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1017350)
And you of course have proof of this, right?

The data in the SWAPA welcome document to the ValuTran pilots seems pretty straightforward to me. Read it again. I don't think you can explain it away that easily. And I highly doubt they have their facts wrong as I'm sure they have access to the actual data.

Where did your data come from? Anecdotal evidence from talking with a few of your friends? Sorry, but I think I'll go with the official numbers published by the folks who have access to the actual data... not a guy on an anonymous web board who constantly argues against any kind of restorative increases for our pilot group.

Agreed!

The official ALPA response to this seems to be "Wave your hands mysteriously and say - these are not the payrates you're looking for."



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