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jabwmu 11-06-2011 06:42 AM

Reserve question:

While on short call how do the groupings work? I know anything more than 4 days you are grouped with others with 4 days or more. According to the contract it is suppose to go by Raw score, then inverse seniority when the score is the same within the same grouping.

If I have 6 days available (and senior) and someone else has 8 days available (and junior), and we both have a score of 0, who would get the trip (say a 4 day trip)?

Does having more than 4 days available come in to play at all?

Thanks.

Carl Spackler 11-06-2011 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1080041)
So when Moak was chair everyone whined that he was autocratic, not inclusive, yadda yadda.

He was all of those things. Only those people like you who owe your DALPA career to Moak would try to state otherwise.


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1080041)
Now O'Malley is chair and he's weak and led by committees.

Do I have that right?

O'Malley is behaving just like Moak, with one exception: Moak flat out didn't care about other opinions unless those opinions aligned with his. O'Malley is the same, but he at least pretends he's interested, where Moak never pretended.

Carl

Carl Spackler 11-06-2011 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by Model Citezen (Post 1080197)
Slowplay,
YOU were the one with the data and the facts.... not me. I just asked some simple questions to clarify the data YOU gave.
Sorry if I struck a nerve, well not really. I do find it very funny that your want to educate the great masses on here, yet get your panties in a wad when asked about the facts you present.

Take care, I see you are a waste of time.
Back to lurker mode

MC

I hope you don't go back to lurker mode MC. Guys like slowplay and other unelected MEC administration bureaucrats need to be held accountable when they come here and distort facts.

Carl

Carl Spackler 11-06-2011 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 1080309)
+1

I always got a laugh out of the blow up rat. I think of it like placing a flag sticker on your car in response to terrorism, it's the least you can do. Literally, the least you can do.

Yes, but that's what slowplay touts as action! Ignore the fact that SWAPA and IPA represent the highest pay in our industry...we must hate them because they've never inflated any giant rats!

Sigh,

Carl

Carl Spackler 11-06-2011 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by Rolf (Post 1080350)
You are a piece of work,TS. I posted the correct info to help you guys. The fact is, we are currently well paid, but that was not always so. Kinda like you used to be well paid and now not so much. If it makes you feel any better, I hope U/CAL, AMR and whoever else gets good contracts as well. Go beat your dog or something, you seem tense.

Please keep it up Rolf. Most of us really appreciate hearing the actual facts from you because our version of ALPA repeatedly lies to us about the SWAPA contract.

Carl

tsquare 11-06-2011 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1080725)
Please keep it up Rolf. Most of us really appreciate hearing the actual facts from you because our version of ALPA repeatedly lies to us about the SWAPA contract.

Carl

Hey Carl, I couldn't care less about what he is touting about the SWAPA contract. The bug under my blanket about guys like him is that he wants us to get a better contract so that they can benefit without ever having to do squat themselves. They are the worst kind of parasite. SWAPA has done nothing to better this industry... nothing.

Carl Spackler 11-06-2011 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by 76drvr (Post 1080623)
Wow, is this true? Does DPA still use this guy?

Why yes. So does the NBA refs union. Also, the former ALPA president and a distinguished fellow aviator thinks he's great as well. See below:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-g...tter.jpg?gl=US



https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9...tter.jpg?gl=US




https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-V...tter.jpg?gl=US



All of these other opinions notwithstanding, I know you probably hate the Seham firm because of their lack of rat inflation activity.

Carl

Scoop 11-06-2011 07:18 AM

PBS With MACs
 
Disregard found it the old fashioned way - surfin the Dnet.


Anyone know if you can use the PBS desktop application with a MAC? No.
Also, where do you download the desktop application? PBS- Settings.

Scoop

Carl Spackler 11-06-2011 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1080667)
Carl, I assumed you are smart enough to know we could not operate the airline under the SWAPA contract.

We could absolutely operate on day one with the SWAPA contract exactly as is. Sadly, the only thing we would have to change is SWAPA's scope to allow our current outsourcing contracts to sunset via some type of transition agreement. All other portions of the SWAPA contract will work on day one.


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1080667)
They are radically different operations. It would require a total rewrite.

I'm advocating a total replacement...not rewrite. Throw our POS contract in the garbage can, and put the total SWAPA contract on the table in its place.


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1080667)
I doubt they have much in the SWAPA contract concerning 12 plus hour international operations as a example.

We'd keep our current crew augmentation, just have 20 or 22 TFP's per long international leg. Easy.


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1080667)
The next thing is that the SWAPA contract is a long way from restoration.

This only shows you don't know what's in the SWAPA contract. It's not your fault though. DALPA spends all its time lying about what's in the SWAPA contract.


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1080667)
The NMB is going to look at total block hour costs and bringing the Delta pilots up to the SWAPA block hour costs is not a big raise contrary to what you may think.

You have no idea what the NMB will look at. None. The NMB can look at whatever THEY decide they want to look at. This is why putting the EXACT same contract on the table as our biggest competitor is such a smart idea. That's a direct apples to apples comparison. Problem is, DALPA and management are one in the same, and neither one wants us to achieve anything close to C2K restoration...much less adjusted for inflation.


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1080667)
The data is out there. Take a look. The last thing is you seem quite willing to throw the bottom part of the seniority list on the street to get SWA pay by also granting the work rules. I am not willing to do that under any circumstances.

You should do the same. If you did, you'd realize that the SWAPA contract would require us to staff the same and probably slightly more due to our international operations. You'd also realize that SWAPA's scope would be the best thing for the bottom part of our seniority list. The fact that you are so willing to not fight for SWAPA's scope shows me that it is YOU who are willing to throw the bottom part of our seniority list out on the street.

Wise up!

Carl

Carl Spackler 11-06-2011 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1080694)
Sorry but I not buying the argument that we should be fearful of what COULD happen as a reason to support the status quo that is ALPA.

I'm not buying it and DPA just got another authorization card sent in today.

I'm sick and tired of being given piecemeal information while being told WHAT I should be asking for. The survey was a carefully crafted manipulation tool that can, and will, be thrown back in our faces during and after our opener.

The spit in the face comes in the form of DALPA's decision to withhold the survey results from the pilot group, and that is the straw that finally broke the camel's back for me.


Wondering if anyone else could substantiate this....
I've also been told that the TWA lawsuit against ALPA would come out to a financial penalty equivalent to $16,000 per pilot.
Not trying to spread this rumor, just would like to know the accuracy of it.

Welcome!

Carl


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