Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-11-2011 | 01:27 PM
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No kidding! and its not just rj's....pulled into dfw the other night 30 min late cuz of mx out of atl. We landed right behind Alaska, they drove right up to the gate but ops told us we (fully loaded 757) would have to wait for a while because they were short staffed. We ended up waiting 30 mins and the pax were ****ed! the ops guy told us that his boss said it doesn't matter whats happening at delta the alaska contract always takes priority. By the way these are DELTA employees!
So much for taking care of OUR customers.
So much for taking care of OUR customers.
This is so true. Their contract calls for X employees and anything less and it is in jeopardy. It makes DAL money.
07-11-2011 | 01:28 PM
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We'll start a new program at Delta, prior to contract negotiations, called "Bring your Southwest Pilot-Friend to Work" day.
FTB, you can be in charge of the marketing,
Buzz, you can handle the screenplay rights, &
ACL, you can get management on board with this.
For all those pilots at Delta who don't have "friends at Soutwest", feel free to borrow from one of your colleagues that do.
Fly safe,
GJ
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FTB, you can be in charge of the marketing,
Buzz, you can handle the screenplay rights, &
ACL, you can get management on board with this.
For all those pilots at Delta who don't have "friends at Soutwest", feel free to borrow from one of your colleagues that do.
Fly safe,
GJ
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I wish management listened to me like that
07-11-2011 | 01:30 PM
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We'll start a new program at Delta, prior to contract negotiations, called "Bring your Southwest Pilot-Friend to Work" day.
FTB, you can be in charge of the marketing,
Buzz, you can handle the screenplay rights, &
ACL, you can get management on board with this.
For all those pilots at Delta who don't have "friends at Soutwest", feel free to borrow from one of your colleagues that do.
Fly safe,
GJ
Disclamer-Bored on a day off. In no way, shape, or form does this post advocate felonious charges of kidnapping a Southwest pilot for our own contract improvements.
FTB, you can be in charge of the marketing,
Buzz, you can handle the screenplay rights, &
ACL, you can get management on board with this.
For all those pilots at Delta who don't have "friends at Soutwest", feel free to borrow from one of your colleagues that do.
Fly safe,
GJ
Disclamer-Bored on a day off. In no way, shape, or form does this post advocate felonious charges of kidnapping a Southwest pilot for our own contract improvements.
07-11-2011 | 01:34 PM
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Your mission and managements missions will never be the same. However, RA and GH are about as close as I've ever seen an airline since Gordon Bethune and before Gordon I have no clue who came close to running an airline that well. Maybe Delta in the 80s? Or do we go back to Howard Hughes or Bob Six?
07-11-2011 | 01:52 PM
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Your mission and managements missions will never be the same. However, RA and GH are about as close as I've ever seen an airline since Gordon Bethune and before Gordon I have no clue who came close to running an airline that well. Maybe Delta in the 80s? Or do we go back to Howard Hughes or Bob Six?
Airlines seemed to better when Operations Personnel (pilots) lead the airlines.
07-11-2011 | 02:01 PM
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07-11-2011 | 02:01 PM
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No kidding! and its not just rj's....pulled into dfw the other night 30 min late cuz of mx out of atl. We landed right behind Alaska, they drove right up to the gate but ops told us we (fully loaded 757) would have to wait for a while becuse they were short staffed. We ended up waiting 30 mins and the pax were ****ed! the ops guy told us that his boss said it doesnt matter whats happening at delta the alaska contract always takes priority. By the way these are DELTA employees!
So much for taking care of OUR cutomers.
So much for taking care of OUR cutomers.
Or maybe even an F-
07-11-2011 | 02:09 PM
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Sorry to disappoint, out of deference to your opinion I've withdrawn the offending allegation.
In our scope history, concessions have always remained one step ahead of what is needed to allow airplanes that have already been ordered. That's an awful lucky coincidence, isn't it?
Follow the history of small jet orders from 1999 to 2010 and place that beside a time line of contract revisions. The correlation is remarkable, but more remarkable when you consider the orders preceded the scope changes.
In our scope history, concessions have always remained one step ahead of what is needed to allow airplanes that have already been ordered. That's an awful lucky coincidence, isn't it?
Follow the history of small jet orders from 1999 to 2010 and place that beside a time line of contract revisions. The correlation is remarkable, but more remarkable when you consider the orders preceded the scope changes.
Carl
07-11-2011 | 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar 
ALPA's problem created by teaming up with management is that they get a lot of information that can not be disclosed to the general membership. In fact, the Reps are not told until they "need to know." Information is power and the Admin has the power (and often the duty) to with hold information.
Thus, certain key positions have centralized power that is greater than it should be and deals are done which should have been sent to membership ratification ... it is all justifiable.
That is why I demand our MEC come out with a statement "no member gets sold." I do not trust them because they have refused to make a commitment to our pilots. Our Admin should be very tightly controlled with guidance from the bottom up. Instead we have top down leadership from an unelected few who have the power to cut anyone they don't like out of the loop.
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YES!!! Couldn't let it go Bar.
Carl
ALPA's problem created by teaming up with management is that they get a lot of information that can not be disclosed to the general membership. In fact, the Reps are not told until they "need to know." Information is power and the Admin has the power (and often the duty) to with hold information.
Thus, certain key positions have centralized power that is greater than it should be and deals are done which should have been sent to membership ratification ... it is all justifiable.
That is why I demand our MEC come out with a statement "no member gets sold." I do not trust them because they have refused to make a commitment to our pilots. Our Admin should be very tightly controlled with guidance from the bottom up. Instead we have top down leadership from an unelected few who have the power to cut anyone they don't like out of the loop.
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YES!!! Couldn't let it go Bar.
Carl
07-11-2011 | 02:13 PM
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We would do better if we prohibited the union guys from signing those confidentiality agreements.
Management invites them to their parties and makes them feel like they are part of some "inner circle" of illuminati and many of them end up thinking they are junior executives and forget who they really work for.
Management uses the selective distribution of "privileged information" to control our union.
Same with the pilot seat on the BOD. Its something ALPA National wants as part of their political agenda so they can feel like they are taking part in "corporate governance". In reality, its used by management to draw the union into their schemes to lower the cost of labor.
We're dreaming if we think management is ever going to provide the union guys with some confidential report saying we could afford to give the pilots a 50% raise. There will however be plenty of secret data showing how critical it is to control our labor costs because fuel hedging is so difficult to master.
Management invites them to their parties and makes them feel like they are part of some "inner circle" of illuminati and many of them end up thinking they are junior executives and forget who they really work for.
Management uses the selective distribution of "privileged information" to control our union.
Same with the pilot seat on the BOD. Its something ALPA National wants as part of their political agenda so they can feel like they are taking part in "corporate governance". In reality, its used by management to draw the union into their schemes to lower the cost of labor.
We're dreaming if we think management is ever going to provide the union guys with some confidential report saying we could afford to give the pilots a 50% raise. There will however be plenty of secret data showing how critical it is to control our labor costs because fuel hedging is so difficult to master.
Tip of the hat to you sir.
Carl
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