As you're asking your question about LAX and AS do you know since the merger has Delta pilot flying increased or decreased in LAX and SEA?

Another question...what has been the history of airlines that have tried to dominate LAX? Can you tell me what the results were for UAL, AAA, DAL and AMR from 1985-2004?

Your question might not be so simple!

 

You THINK you want to fly ATRs. Coming from someone with 5000 hours in the ATR, they are fun (especially the fwd cargo) but very very hot. Think one pack 88 with no APU. All summer. In AGS.

 

Hyrdofoil to Peterhof Palace in St. Petersburg, Russia. Somehow this was supposed to be of my wife, seated in the row behind. Senator, at this point in time, to the best of my reccolection, I have no explanation how this was cropped.

 

Start heart, start!!

You sir, are a great American!

 

Deleted post #3. I guess when I can actually write something coherent I'll put it up.

Needless to say, I know us left coasters only see a small portion of the big picture but the slice we see is confusing.

Ferd

 

Slow:

I think what you are seeing here is how junior to mid-seniority DAL guys are about to get screwed...again! ALK and Hawaiian are about ready to hire to accommodate GROWTH...at our expense. Now, when we merge with one or both...those guys that are hired at these airlines will then swiftly move ahead of our guys (assuming relative seniority merger) who have been on property for 5 plus years.

I understand why FO's are far less patient when some of the CA's have the audacity to begin griping about their status within the industry.

 

Razorback,

When were you on the ATR? I was from 02-06. Does the Question, "Do you think Im a good skater?" mean anything to you?

 

That's because (as has been said so many times here) date of hire is meaningless.

Carl

 

Speaking of LAX and SEA, if you look on Delta.com you'lll see that tomorrow we are selling 8 flights from SEA-LAX, 0 are on Delta equipment.

Of the 10 LAX-SEA flights sold on Delta.com, 1 is on a DAL 757... but it connects in SLC. So 0 LAX-SEA directs are on DAL.

BTW, of the 22 flights from LAX-SFO sold on Delta.com tomorrow, 100% are RJs.

So Delta pilot flying has increased or Delta 737 pilot flying increased? It's the substitution by Alaska that I find most pertinent. A ER, 330, 744 flying is not the concern. If pilot flying out of LAX has increased but not NB domestic flying then I am concerned.

I can see 737 pilot staffing has increased what, 6 total pilots or so from one staffing report to the next but we've got plenty of Buzzpats that once held lines that are now on reserve.

And I'd love to see LAX 737 staffing yoy beginning in 2011 and working backwards. Or total pilot staffing in LAX going back to the Western merger. You're probably the only one with those kinds of numbers. If my fear that we're way down or stagnating is not true I'll be elated but the eyeball test says no, is that fair to say?


Is this one of those "SWA never raised the bar, they've always had lower salaries and undercut Delta and the other legacies blah blah blah" look backs in history? Because all I see is they're making near double than us now so I'm not sure why stopping in 2004 is germane, might be interesting, but to the big picture of how much flying are we losing today?

On that point though, if you combine DAL and Alaska I believe you only come up in the 12% range of total share. That would not be #1 as AMR and AE own 16.4% and SWA has 14% and I can't honestly tell UAL because I'd have to add all of their many regionals. So is 4th place and 12% dominating? Not to me. And we're not talking about eliminating Alaska in LAX so by increasing our own flying we still probably will not jump in our place on the market share list.

That's why it's worth a conversation. Not everything has an answer.

But btw, it was a two part question. What would happen if we took back the 51-76 seat flying and took back LAX (from Alaska I might add). Would we not need to hire? We talk about growth, looks like the growth is in the bottom.

I'm digging at all of this because I think the answer to Alaska is quite clear. We can't afford to compete. So we're going to partner up with Alaska and well, it won't be good for our LAX domestic NB crews but we'll make it up with a busy ER base.

Word.