Seham is citing the United case because he thinks it might be viewed by a judge as comparable precedent in the case of USAPA. It seems his strategy is to conflate United and USAPA because neither one involved an arbitrated SLI that had been accepted by management and BOTH AIRLINE'S OPERATIONS COMBINED. This of course wouldn't apply to Delta Air Lines because our operations are combined.

Because we are now combined, ALPA, DPA or any other entity that tried to use the United precedent to "re-order" our seniority list would have no legal foundation in the subsequent lawsuits that would follow. If this was all you had to do, it would have been done many times before. The larger pilot group could just accept anything from a mediator or arbitrator, then staple the smaller pilot group to the bottom through "negotiations" afterwards because they would have the majority votes. Why has this never happened after an arbitrated SLI alfaromeo? Is it because nobody has ever thought of it before?

Carl

 

Good. After reading thousands of pages of transcripts, you should have great stories to tell us. Please post a case where a seniority list was re-ordered differently than what the arbitrated SLI ordered.

He's not using Rakestraw as the "bedrock", just one reference. But let's look at that case. If memory serves, scabs at the United strike were re-ordered somehow. That was a negotiated settlement regarding seniority.

So your fear is that any union could use this precedent of re-ordering scabs, to re-order a seniority list after an arbitration? If so, why has this never been tried before to re-order an arbitrated SLI?

Carl

 

The greatest fool in the world is NOT the person who thinks he knows it all.
It is the person who tries to argue with someone who thinks he knows it all.

Carry on, all.

 

YOU'RE BACK!

FTB and I were about to send out a search party!

Carl

 

I hope anyone else following this is seeing the very slow progress toward the truth. We'll get there eventually, but it'll take time. Our DALPA insider and former (maybe current rep) alfa now states the truth. Re-ordering a seniority list after an arbitration has not occured at an airline. But he's still holding out hope that it happened to some other non-airline union.

Actually, it makes all the difference in the world. But that's OK because I know you could never admit that you lied here. It's just going to have to be enough to hear you say that it has never occured at an airline. That is correct.

Now please run off to ALPA legal and ask them what plan B is, because this attempted smear of the DPA by ALPA reps has failed.

Carl

 

Whatever, Carl, enjoy Narita.

 

It is not DALPA's war chest. That money belongs to Delta pilots. Any and all monies of that type would have to remain within the control of Delta pilots. Again, it's NOT ALPA's money.

Carl

 

Yes, the dude has been stalking me like some weird chick. It looks like he is one of the DALPA "volunteers" who spent the week in ATL to disrupt the DPA event there a few months back. ALPA at its finest.

Carl

 

Hey guys,

There's a DALPA survey on rotation construction on DeltaNet. Check it out. I took it. For LAX, they can't get much worse so hopefully it will help.

Cheers!
Buzz (sitting 3rd short call in last 5 days)

 

So with the slot swap I saw Delta and USAir were to sell 16 and 8 slots respectively. Who sells them? Does USAir get the money from the slots at LGA or does Delta? If they have to sell them do they go by auction or do the companies get to sell them to whom they want? What is to stop Delta from selling them to USAir and vice-versa?