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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 609909)
When you look at the pre chapter 11 seniority lists also look at the work rules and pilot utilization. Pre Chapter 11 the average Delta pilot flew 600 block hours a year. Post chapter 11 with the new contract the average pilot flies in excess of 800 block hours per year. That is better then a 25% improvement in productivity. We had just over 10,000 pilots. With a 25% improvement in productivity you are down to 7500 pilots. Want to know where the jobs went? WORK RULES!
Here are some numbers for Delta from a university study: Year-Hr/Month-Hr/Year 98-----41.2-----494.4 99-----46.0-----552.0 00-----41.5-----498.0 01-----45.0-----540.0 02-----41.3-----495.6 03-----41.6-----499.2 04-----47.5-----570.0 05-----51.9-----622.8 06-----50.5-----606.0 07-----49.6-----595.2 The study's numbers also show Delta's Block Hours in 2007 (the most recent data in their study) down 22% over the high in 2000 and the fleet count down 30% over its high in 2001. |
Originally Posted by Dash8widget
(Post 609905)
I understand where you are coming from, your arguments just don't match what has happened in reality. That last big hiring cycle is a good example. After 9/11 the airlines were hit hard; lots of furloughs at the majors, big cuts in pay, etc. As a result, fewer people started perusing airline careers and enrollment in flight schools took a hit. Then things started to turn around. The airlines started hiring again and the regionals were growing and loosing pilots at the same time. So, the regionals had to start hiring in large numbers. But they found that the supply of well qualified pilots was much less than in years past. So what happened? The regionals began lowering their hiring requiments significantly.
Notice that they did not start parking rj's for lack of pilots - they just lowered the bar. RJ's (at the regional level) are not the result of there being too many pilots out there - they are the result of agreements made by short sighted major airline pilot unions giving up scope for better pay. Job security and better pay will come from scope protection, NOT from cutting the number of commercial pilots coming from part 61 programs! |
Originally Posted by vprMatrix
(Post 609972)
You may have better data than me but I would be shocked if the average Delta pilot flew 800 hours per year.
For the math challenged, that comes out to an average of 67 hours a month. Still under guarantee @ 70. |
Is it normal on the 88 to have a trio of attractive women come to the cockpit prior to push and put on the Captains hat and sit on the rudder trim and take photos?
Just curious. This has been the best mandatory displacement ever. Sorry for the drift. |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 610092)
Is it normal on the 88 to have a trio of attractive strippers come to the cockpit prior to push and put on the Captains hat and sit on the rudder trim and take photos?
Just curious. This has been the best mandatory displacement ever. Sorry for the drift. OK, who was taking pictures of whom? And why aren't any posted here? You or the captain surely have a camera on your phone. |
Originally Posted by Dash8widget
(Post 609905)
I understand where you are coming from, your arguments just don't match what has happened in reality. That last big hiring cycle is a good example. After 9/11 the airlines were hit hard; lots of furloughs at the majors, big cuts in pay, etc. As a result, fewer people started perusing airline careers and enrollment in flight schools took a hit. Then things started to turn around. The airlines started hiring again and the regionals were growing and loosing pilots at the same time. So, the regionals had to start hiring in large numbers. But they found that the supply of well qualified pilots was much less than in years past. So what happened? The regionals began lowering their hiring requiments significantly.
Notice that they did not start parking rj's for lack of pilots - they just lowered the bar. RJ's (at the regional level) are not the result of there being too many pilots out there - they are the result of agreements made by short sighted major airline pilot unions giving up scope for better pay. Job security and better pay will come from scope protection, NOT from cutting the number of commercial pilots coming from part 61 programs! 1. Raise productivity- Not Safe and they are almost at that limit too, 2. Park smaller airplanes and replace them with larger ones so seat capacity would not be lowered- Safe and this would result in more mainline jobs, 3. Cut seat capacity- Definitely an option now, but not for future revenue, or 4. Raise pilot wages to attract canidites away from other carriers- I'm down with that. Like it or not part 61 training is a target when there is a massive lack of oversight. If we are serious about lobbying for training standards I'm sure this would be on the table. |
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
(Post 610061)
I guess that makes me better than average with just over 800 hours for the last two years. BOOTH!
For the math challenged, that comes out to an average of 67 hours a month. Still under guarantee @ 70. Keep up the good work. I am doing my part to ensure we stay in the 600 hour range. :p |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 610138)
I honestly didn't think of that camera.. It was one at a time and one of the other two would take the picture. I thought they wanted all three in the cockpit at first but then they told me to stay because they wanted us in the picture. So we stayed and smiled for the camera. The flight wasn't full at all.
It was a crazy 5 minutes. The gate agent was not amused but we were already done with our stuff and were out in time. |
Honestly, the flight attendants may have instigated the event, they were a fun bunch and the Captain was a lot of fun to be around. They may have thought it was funny.
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