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satchip 06-11-2009 04:26 PM

Do we have to take the flowback? If one takes it and decides that it ain't for him, can one resign without resigning from Delta? Will leaving or not taking the flowback jeopardize one's return to Mother Delta?

acl65pilot 06-11-2009 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by Superdad (Post 626887)
So if we did furlough, hypothetically, when do you think it would happen. The reason I ask is because of SOC. It makes a big difference as far as who gets furloughed if it happens before or after.

As some say a night mare, but I can see it after a joint bid where it would be clear who is on the bottom.

I see both of these coming in our near future. I am sure the senior guys will get something for it, but the company needs a AE/Surplus bid now so they can see where we will be post SOC and then they will furlough off of that. After that is cleared up we may have another small bid.
(All IMHO)
That way it clears up the problems with furloughing out of seniority order.

If we stomp our feet on this, they may just take it from one side (guess which one) and make us hate each other for life.

Those look like the options to me.

acl65pilot 06-11-2009 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by satchip (Post 626898)
Do we have to take the flowback? If one takes it and decides that it ain't for him, can one resign without resigning from Delta? Will leaving or not taking the flowback jeopardize one's return to Mother Delta?

As I understand it you do not have to take it, but if you take it you can be fired at CPS. If that happens you are no longer a DAL pilot as well.

See more reasons to get em on our list.

acl65pilot 06-11-2009 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by Superdad (Post 626892)
I am also curious how the flow back works. What longevity do we start at for pay? Is a Delta flowback subject to their 12,000 dollar training contract?

Year Two as a CA and Year four as an FO. Well that or your DAL pay if it is lower. (Psst it's not) 2nd yr CA ~64 an hr at CPS

Carl Spackler 06-11-2009 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by bigdaddie (Post 626862)
Yes we are. Thanks for you part of the $1B plus. Hell, I'll run for DAPA Pres. if you run for vice. Come on Carl, you know you want a position!

Once you've tasted the rarified air of assistant greenskeeper, any other "position" would be such a come down.

Carl

Carl Spackler 06-11-2009 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 626812)
This looks good, but remember that this spike in fuel (double) is not accounted for by anyone, so the numbers are going to be a lot worse.

Actually, our numbers might be better than expected. We are still currently fuel hedged at prices around where we are now and maybe a bit higher. We were taking a hit on paper when fuel was way down because our hedges were underwater. Now our hedge position is about break even which will make our paper numbers better.

The problem children will be AirTran and the other unhedged LCC's. They looked like geniuses when oil was $35...now they're unhedged at $72. Those numbers are going to look REAL bad.

Carl

forgot to bid 06-11-2009 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 626885)
WHO just raised the alert level to 6 today, indication that a world wide pandemic is underway.

I understand the fear it brings to our jobs but I am not going to worry about it. Reading the press release to me it looks like the WHO just wants nations to prepare and the WHO wants some attention too.

Of course, if I get swine flu... what happens when you get swine flu?

forgot to bid 06-11-2009 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 626915)
Actually, our numbers might be better than expected. We are still currently fuel hedged at prices around where we are now and maybe a bit higher. We were taking a hit on paper when fuel was way down because our hedges were underwater. Now our hedge position is about break even which will make our paper numbers better.

The problem children will be AirTran and the other unhedged LCC's. They looked like geniuses when oil was $35...now they're unhedged at $72. Those numbers are going to look REAL bad.

Carl

+1

I thought we have some great fuel hedges going into 2009, is that not the case?

forgot to bid 06-11-2009 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 626673)
if they furlough 150 then i'll be the one waving at you from the left seat as i taxi past all you mainline haters ;) lol

Then, while you're flying that cool E-175 around the uproar to combine CPZ with DAL finally causes it to happen and you become a DAL CA overnight. Then, as long as their isn't a MD you get to stay in a position you might not have held for years. Not a bad gig.

Or is that wishful thinking on my part when I join you? :) I'd love to fly that thing. It looks like a lot of fun and I see them everywhere.

deltabound 06-11-2009 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 626905)
As I understand it you do not have to take it, but if you take it you can be fired at CPS. If that happens you are no longer a DAL pilot as well.

See more reasons to get em on our list.

Any idea if refusal to take a position at CPS would potentially affect unemployment compensation/insurance payouts? Kind of a broad question, I know.

I don't think going to fly for CPS as an FO would make any financial sense for most DAL pilots.


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