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Originally Posted by bigdaddie (Post 626831)

Yea I got the est. numbers from yahoo finance. The remainder is straight from SEC. I'm not sure when they update those estimated earnings. I guess it will all come down to hedges and what those fine men in white dresses on the beach decide to do this summer. I know it is more on the commodity trading and weak dollar and such, but I've got to blame someone!

I guess my providing the numbers here is to see who will out run the bear and who gets eaten.

BD

I agree.
I think that UAUA is setting itself up for a CAL buyout.

LLC wants to dance but no one will dance with them until they fix their pilot mess

SWA will probably buy someone, but who knows

I agree that DAL will come out the other side and in fine shape, we will just get banged around a little bit in the process. Overall we are in great shape.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 626839)

Yes we are. Thanks for you part of the $1B plus. Hell, I'll run for DAPA Pres. if you run for vice. Come on Carl, you know you want a position!

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 626740)

The furlough provisions are different if you were hired after 2001.

Those are the ones that matter.

After the last class in Jul 01. Those hired before will trigger something different.

I can't see any furlough less than 300 initially...then maybe 150 more if need be. Like UPS...they came out with 300. DAL did 300 in their first batch. Seems to be the "magic number" although UPS pilots bought themselves some time....could we do that at DAL? ...I will start laughing my *sses off with you at that question. HA HAHHHAHAHAHAH AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA....no.

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Originally Posted by dtfl (Post 626865)

Well more than 150 also means that everyone need a type at CPS not just the guys flowing down. You do 300, all but about 85 CPS pilots will be gone. With 150 it is basically the CA list. That means a lot too.

I think that you get to 300 with 150 or so early outs.......

Also there is no way that we are going to go from these fall 2009 levels to levels we saw this summer much less last. Cutting capacity is designed to reduce the product to raise ticket prices. Once they start raising them and successfully doing so, I cannot see them just dumping a ton of capacity back in the market. That would kill the pricing power they just found.
IMHO for us to get to 2007 or even 2008 levels we will be in 2011 and beyond. Just looking at history that is all. (Read over 18 and bumping up on 24 months)

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Originally Posted by kamsman (Post 626814)

Is our first joint AE or APE for NWA guys in August effective January? Are they planning on telling us which A/C are going to be based where so we can plan our lives? Seems like we are only a couple of months away and have heard nothing from the company or union regarding this. I realize things are constantly changing but they must have a pretty good idea of which aircraft they want where. The 330 (which im on) is doing more flying out of ATL and JFK than DTW now, so it seems obvious that this plane will be leaving DTW.

Thanks

Sorry, but I just don't see any large AE or APE coming in this enviornment...so we're losing big bucks, and now they will put a lot of pilots in training to be non-productive to move to aircraft that may change again as the economy gets worse. The economic predicitions are based on best guess and history...don't think there are historical projections for whats going on now.

My guess is that with the economists changing their tune and quite dramatically we will be shredding the 2010 Flight Plan and doing a rewrite if we are not in the process right now.
I think today was a game changer IMHO.

WHO just raised the alert level to 6 today, indication that a world wide pandemic is underway.

So if we did furlough, hypothetically, when do you think it would happen. The reason I ask is because of SOC. It makes a big difference as far as who gets furloughed if it happens before or after.

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Originally Posted by Superdad (Post 626887)

So if we did furlough, hypothetically, when do you think it would happen. The reason I ask is because of SOC. It makes a big difference as far as who gets furloughed if it happens before or after.

It would be a political nightmare to furlough before the SOC.

I am also curious how the flow back works. What longevity do we start at for pay? Is a Delta flowback subject to their 12,000 dollar training contract?