Airline Pilot Central Forums - Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

Don't forget DAL-S is already calling the shots for DAL-N staffing. If these positions were awarded it was because DAL management wanted them there.

These are also for awards prior to SOC, which means they cannot be canceled, but only reversed post-SOC under the AE/VD/MD system in which case they become displacements, senior enough bump into anything in the system except what is fenced. That is unless we open up position bidding cross fleet prior to SOC :D

But back to the first point, why even go through the headache if you don't need them?

Tomcat

06-19-2009 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 631723)

TC. Keep em on their toes. Make sure they know what the group wants in the off chance they have an opportunity to negotiate for something like this.
It is better than they know, and have a baseline....
It is more important to get the jets here than a few bucks an hr!

I agree.... Keep spreading the message!

LeineLodge

06-19-2009 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by deltabound (Post 631794)

Doesn't the WARN Act require 60 days minimum notice before furloughs?

Not sure about that, but the JPWA requires them to give us at least 90 days notice of a furlough, so that would supercede what you're suggesting.

Here's to hoping we don't need to test out that particular clause . . .

LeineLodge

06-19-2009 02:02 PM

I know all the metaphors about no-furlough clauses vs. toilet paper, etc. The big question for me though is: What grounds could they use to furlough on, and still be within the framework of the no-furlough clause?

Is the $hitty economy enough of a reason? Or do they have to reach force majeure (subject to a judges interpretation?)

All I seem to remember is that they could not furlough due to the merger. I'm not a lawyer, but I think I could argue both sides of that statement with great ease. Back to the whole toilet paper thing again. :mad:

buzzpat

06-19-2009 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 631837)

Force Majeure could be global economic recession, rising oil prices, etc., pretty much anything that the company could argue negatively impacts their ability to do business. After 2001, they furloughed first, then arbitrated for what seemed like years.

Nosmo King

06-19-2009 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 631729)

only 4 total displacements (SO displacements) on our APA everything else was Awards or RD. lots of 747400 RDs and Awards :D

All of the awards and RD's to the 747-400 CA were to blockholder. Many of them were returned from 747-400 Reserve CA. I was told today that the staffing on the 747-400 is about 100% (no surplus).

Which begs the question .. is this a way of reducing pay guarantee on the 747-400? Reserves have been capped at 88:00 for many, many months at a guarantee of 80?. Moving 20 of those reserves to blockholder without a block would save some money on pay guarantee. A blockholder in an 80 hour month is guaranteed 68 for pay.

Nosmo King

06-19-2009 02:36 PM

No new and improved PRIP program is forthcoming. Take it or leave it...

Next up, extended leaves.

iceman49

06-19-2009 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Fly4hire (Post 631798)

Is Wilbur still in charge of sked and manning, and when is he planning to leave?

iceman49

06-19-2009 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 631624)

Here is one for you DAL-N guys, at XJT they used Northwest weather or at least that was my understanding. What I liked was this number assigned to each fix enroute that had the forecasted turbulence there, I think 0 was smooth and 6 was shake the wings off or at least thats what I remember. But it was nice to look through a flight plan real fast and say, bumpy, smooth, smooth then bumpy, etc.

Do you guys have that on your flight plans? Is that a NWA weather thing?

The codes will be going away in favor of plain language.

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