Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-19-2011 | 06:43 PM
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From: Light Chop
After completing CQ I realized that I somehow missed the section that said avoid any and every cloud by 5 miles horizontally and 10,000' vertically.
Also, where's the part that says when flying into ORD or then ATL and your last assigned speed was 310 just feel free to slow to 210 whenever you feel like it.... and feel free to do so without asking.
Those have to be in there somewhere...
Also, where's the part that says when flying into ORD or then ATL and your last assigned speed was 310 just feel free to slow to 210 whenever you feel like it.... and feel free to do so without asking.
Those have to be in there somewhere...
08-19-2011 | 06:54 PM
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Yeah... half a decade of DALPA acting like this is just what we're stuck with will tend to do that. And the recent "Touch and Gos?" Just more expectations management, IMO. And the sad part is... it seems to be working to some degree.
FWIW, I think scope is critically important. And "50% and work rules" is what I say as a minimum too. And I think I'm being extremely reasonable with that, as it would take 70% just to get us back to the buying power we had prior to the pay cuts.
FWIW, I think scope is critically important. And "50% and work rules" is what I say as a minimum too. And I think I'm being extremely reasonable with that, as it would take 70% just to get us back to the buying power we had prior to the pay cuts.
08-19-2011 | 08:00 PM
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Most of the CAs I fly with and lately most of the jumpseaters (MSP320) seem to think scope is very important, but also have no clue where to begin with pay. I say "50% and work rules," they say no way. I say "15% plus 5% YOY for 5 years," and they say, "Fantastic, we shouldn't expect much." I think guys are just beat down.
08-19-2011 | 10:46 PM
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Do you know something we don't know? And... to compare apples to apples, we need to look beyond rates and look at the end result, i.e. W-2. Unless I'm really missing something, our narrowbody pilots are nowhere close to making what SWA pilots make. Unless you want to compare SWA First Officers with Delta narrowbody Captains. Then it's pretty close. 
BTW compounded inflation gets backed out of any and all claims of "conctractual increases" as we will not fall for that trick anymore.
08-19-2011 | 10:53 PM
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Most of the CAs I fly with and lately most of the jumpseaters (MSP320) seem to think scope is very important, but also have no clue where to begin with pay. I say "50% and work rules," they say no way. I say "15% plus 5% YOY for 5 years," and they say, "Fantastic, we shouldn't expect much." I think guys are just beat down.
Can't "afford" that? OK, here's SWA's W-2/days off per pilot figures for 130 seat narrowbody flying...make that happen however you need to and go up from there for larger equipment and SWA scope plus full inflation COLA in perpetuity. How is that unreasonable? Are you saying not only can we not afford to match SWA but that we also need to take a net pay cut over time, while also admitting SWA management is superior because they pay way more per pilot on less per pilot revenue?
08-20-2011 | 12:25 AM
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JFK blows. Thats all. Carry on.
08-20-2011 | 04:06 AM
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yikes. 4:25am and you're complaining about JFK. I don't know if I want to know where you are or what's happened.
but should we call in... Newk and his snub nose pistol? Man that guy can work magic with anything.
but should we call in... Newk and his snub nose pistol? Man that guy can work magic with anything.
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08-20-2011 | 05:11 AM
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tic mostly. Narrowbody i get. Widebody: I see no reason the 764, a330 and 777 dont pay the same. The 747 is significantly bigger and generates more revenue, it should pay more. The 767 is significantly smaller and should pay less.
That said, i could live with straight widebody vs narrow (meaning aspiration and bodily functions would continue).
tic mostly. Narrowbody i get. Widebody: I see no reason the 764, a330 and 777 dont pay the same. The 747 is significantly bigger and generates more revenue, it should pay more. The 767 is significantly smaller and should pay less.
That said, i could live with straight widebody vs narrow (meaning aspiration and bodily functions would continue).
08-20-2011 | 05:22 AM
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Nope.
What you propose is such a significant shift from what we have now, why have any payrate separation at all? Everything pays the same.
In effect that is what you propose except there are 2 tiers in your example. If you can defend 2 tiers, you can defend 1 tier/ no tiers. If you think there should be 2 tiers, then you should also think there should be 6 different payrates.
As I see it, there is no difference in payrates or there is.
08-20-2011 | 05:43 AM
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The only way we won't get SWA+ W-2's is if we accept a concessionary contract. That's all fine and fair if we vote for it I suppose, but we should make sure that if we vote for a concessionary contract we at least admit what we are voting for.
BTW compounded inflation gets backed out of any and all claims of "conctractual increases" as we will not fall for that trick anymore.
BTW compounded inflation gets backed out of any and all claims of "conctractual increases" as we will not fall for that trick anymore.
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