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Old 08-19-2011 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by rvr350
Recently, I flew with a senior CA, and i asked what was his primary concern in our next contract. He said pay, I said scope. It's as simple as that. He's senior, I'm junior. Our perspectives are different. I totally understand that from a guy in his 50's.
Most of the CAs I fly with and lately most of the jumpseaters (MSP320) seem to think scope is very important, but also have no clue where to begin with pay. I say "50% and work rules," they say no way. I say "15% plus 5% YOY for 5 years," and they say, "Fantastic, we shouldn't expect much." I think guys are just beat down.
Old 08-19-2011 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Good point! I've never heard a Frontier rumor either.

Surely you have heard the frontier aircraft rumor once their SLI is complete. Shedding non-performing assets and all.
Old 08-19-2011 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I have had schedulers in the last two years try and do that. They have paid me every time when they did not honor the contract. If they are in violation of the contract call ALPA. Normally you wont even have to go the grievance route. In a few weeks you will get a call and receive pay for a missed trip or assignment pay for a incorrectly assigned trip.

I'll second that motion. I requested a trip over thanksgiving last year that would have let me spend thanksgiving evening with my family. It was a 4 day, and was awarded to a junior pilot, and I was awarded a different 4 day trip. Called scheduling to see what happened, and they admitted they screwed it up, but couldn't fix it (too late, they said.) I sent a report to my rep and the scheduling comitee, and I was paid the difference in the value of the two trips (On top of the credit for the trip I flew - even though the trip I flew was actually worth more.)
Old 08-19-2011 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1

Except 777's should pay more than everything!!! (except the super premium, ultra senior, king of the frikkin hill, brass band meets them at the gate, special uniform with band leader hat and WW1 german epaulets, 747).
Why should we waste negotiating capital on less than 7% of the fleet? Mor money for more guys... not lots of money for a very few. I will never understand that logic. (Assuming your post was not TIC)
Old 08-19-2011 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Razorback flyer
I'll second that motion. I requested a trip over thanksgiving last year that would have let me spend thanksgiving evening with my family. It was a 4 day, and was awarded to a junior pilot, and I was awarded a different 4 day trip. Called scheduling to see what happened, and they admitted they screwed it up, but couldn't fix it (too late, they said.) I sent a report to my rep and the scheduling comitee, and I was paid the difference in the value of the two trips (On top of the credit for the trip I flew - even though the trip I flew was actually worth more.)
Yet you still missed Thanksgiving. Nice.
Old 08-19-2011 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
Why do they keep on giving concessions or give-backs to a SHREWD and UNTRUSTWORTHY MNGR LIKE BEDFORD?
So they don't get Comair'd?

Or I guess a more appropriate reference would be "so they don't get Midwest'd"
Old 08-19-2011 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by RunFast
Most of the CAs I fly with and lately most of the jumpseaters (MSP320) seem to think scope is very important, but also have no clue where to begin with pay. I say "50% and work rules," they say no way. I say "15% plus 5% YOY for 5 years," and they say, "Fantastic, we shouldn't expect much." I think guys are just beat down.
Yeah... half a decade of DALPA acting like this is just what we're stuck with will tend to do that. And the recent "Touch and Gos?" Just more expectations management, IMO. And the sad part is... it seems to be working to some degree.

FWIW, I think scope is critically important. And "50% and work rules" is what I say as a minimum too. And I think I'm being extremely reasonable with that, as it would take 70% just to get us back to the buying power we had prior to the pay cuts.
Old 08-19-2011 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Why should we waste negotiating capital on less than 7% of the fleet? Mor money for more guys... not lots of money for a very few. I will never understand that logic. (Assuming your post was not TIC)

T;

TIC mostly. Narrowbody I get. Widebody: I see no reason the 764, A330 and 777 dont pay the same. The 747 is significantly bigger and generates more revenue, it should pay more. The 767 is significantly smaller and should pay less.

That said, I could live with straight widebody vs narrow (meaning aspiration and bodily functions would continue).
Old 08-19-2011 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
I enjoyed that.
Old 08-19-2011 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
Are the Frontier guys ALPA? Why do they keep on giving concessions or give-backs to a SHREWD and UNTRUSTWORTHY MNGR LIKE BEDFORD?
No, they're represented by an independent (FAPA).
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