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Bucking Bar 08-22-2011 09:24 AM

Who do those ramp tower guys at JFK work for? Talk about a position that is critical to Delta Air Lines, that is certainly one.

scambo1 08-22-2011 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1042168)
Scambo, generally, I agree about JFK and don't really have great heartburn. This past Thursday night...called for push at D-0, cleared to push 3 and 1/2 hours later. Had to open the door and ask the pax if they wanted to get out twice to reset the clock.

Once finally cleared to push, we were number 38. Got off an hour and a half later. We literally were quelling riots in the back of the jet. I've never seen an operation so F'ed up. The ramp tower guy kept screwing up his sequences, and once someone got to LA, ground wouldn't talk to them for 20-30 minutes. By the time a guy was approaching #1 hours later, his clearance would drop out and he'd have to pull off to pick up a new one and pray he could get back in line at some point.

Its not worth the extra pay in my mind. Its a cluster.:D


You are right it is a cluster. Back in the days of flying BOM out of JFK, there was a reasonably small window (like an hour) in which the 4 person crew would time out if there was a taxi delay.

acl65pilot 08-22-2011 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1042172)
Who do those ramp tower guys at JFK work for? Talk about a position that is critical to Delta Air Lines, that is certainly one.

Depends on which ramp you are referring to.

tsquare 08-22-2011 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1042153)
Buzz;

If you flew hard time trips, you would love JFK. I've been in a 3hr conga line there, I'm sure there are others who have been in line longer. Of course with the stroke of a pen, the gov't has basically outlawed the 3hr line.

Not really.. what that stroke of a pen did was to ensure that you get a second shot at that line. :D

georgetg 08-22-2011 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1042124)
It could be a planned leak to "urge" the Airbus folks to get a better offer. None of the Bloomberg article is fact, it is just speculation......

It might not be as bad with a 757 nose/cockpit assembly on the front....anything to try and get that cockpit quieter!

Not. gonna. happen.

The only reason Boeing keeps the 737 untouched is because they don't need to do a complete certification on the jet. That lets them carry many grandfathered exceptions on systems and structure that simply wouldn't be certifiable today.

The 737 only has better costs/seat than the 320 because of the sardine can interior.

On a payload/range cost, the A320 beats the 737.

Besides a wider aisle, it can take containers.
Especially for the A321 this can be a big advantage on reducing turn time, vs the 737-900.

In the end the competition is really not 737 vs A320.

Its 737-900/A321 vs 757-200.
Picking the 737 in that context is not a good option.

Cheers
George

tsquare 08-22-2011 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1042172)
Who do those ramp tower guys at JFK work for? Talk about a position that is critical to Delta Air Lines, that is certainly one.

I highly recommend that if you have a JFK sit for any length of time that you go up there and sit with them and watch how they operate. I can GUARANTEE you that it will quell any urges to read them the riot act the next time you feel that they aren't recognizing that it isn't all about you... They do an amazing job considering their setup.

georgetg 08-22-2011 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1042177)
Depends on which ramp you are referring to.

A while back the DAL controlled Ramps, KK LA, had a pilot sitting up there with the Ramp tower guy, not sure if that is still in place...

Cheers
George

tsquare 08-22-2011 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by contrails (Post 1042171)
Here's a fact you might enjoy.

CAL's 737-900s have two less seats than the 767-200s.

Wow... what is the cabin class configuration?

buzzpat 08-22-2011 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1042183)
A while back the DAL controlled Ramps, KK LA, had a pilot sitting up there with the Ramp tower guy, not sure if that is still in place...

Cheers
George

Yeah, the pilot still works there but only a couple of days a week. Ironically, he was in our jump seat during the entire debacle. He didn't have much to offer.;)

scambo1 08-22-2011 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1042184)
Wow... what is the cabin class configuration?


That's the cargo strap config.

Do you turn the fwd cargo temp switch to high when there are seats down there?


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