Southwest's W-2 data is also easily available, yet our association refuses to use it as it would make mgmt unhappy. They would rather use data which "easily proves" both groups are equally compensated based on costs.
I guess it's a done deal then as all the data we need is right there.

 

Nevermind.......

 

I can agree with that fix! As you and others think, I think there should be some kind of con side paper or presentation.

Denny

 

The more I read here has convinced me you're correct. I think it gets complicated when we throw in things like multiple fleet types, augmented crews, international ops, deadheads, etc.

Keep the facts coming fellas. I appreciate the education.

 

I'm guessing that if both/either sides decide to go public with the negotiations, then that could be a sign that negotiations aren't going well. Kinda like what ucal is going through.

Someone mentioned it a few pages back, but if management doesn't like our position could they really just say we'll meet again in 6 months?
I've heard passing a TA with retro pay rarely ever happens, especially when contract negotiations are dragged out, but how long could management drag out negotiations if they wanted to before their hand is forced?
If the MEC approves anything for a vote I believe that resets the clock and negotiations start back at square one, sound about right? I realize there is a process (cooling off period, arbitration...etc), but I just trying to figure out how long they could drag this thing out IF they wanted to.

 

Anybody know when the current NMB changes? Seems to me the current NMB & Delta management don't really get along. Perhaps this would be advantageous to us as a pilot group if management tried the game of walking away??

 

My guess is that most likely there would not ever be "retro pay" and instead it is converted to a "signing bonus". Similar to what happened with Alaska Airlines. The reason for this is if it was "retro pay" the company would have to go back and pay anyone who left (i.e retired).

 

Off topic.....any word on the upcoming AE? When? Category movements?

 

Around the end of October/beginning of Nov once the 2012 block hours are finalized. I imagine the final slot swap ruling will also have an effect on possible new categories. New categories are anybody's guess. I'm not sure even the company knows until the day before they announce it.

 

I agree, and it can also be dangerous. If the company is presenting their openers, or subsequent positions publicly, they are in effect negotiating with the pilot group and not our bargaining agent. If that is to occur, I would immediately suspect that our NC is making demands that are far better than that of the position the company made public. Suffice to say, "Buyer be wary."