Well said!

FTB and all other junior DAL pilots.

When I was a narrowbody FO, I had 3 years in a row of 160-170 K per year. That was years 3-6. I did not kill myself to make that, I wasnt super junior and I did get occasional greenslips.

Then I went to the 76-4 - didn't take a paycut and worked a lot less (I was almost the plug). Again $165K/year.

Then the bad times hit and we all know the rest of the story. I haven't been close to those paydays since back then. Not close...do not sell yourselves short.

So do I and that is why I mentioned it.

I know you would love for me to do that. Our best asset is our pilots and their willingness to not compromise. Done enough of that. As for the card, show me something that will truly be better than what we have, and how it will not harm our pilots in this contract cycle.


I agree, and remember you and I are discussing NB rates, not WB rates.

Also, on a mid term extension. It would have to be significant not just pay, put improvements. Most importantly though, I would never vote for anything that did not have a guaranteed timetable for active back and forth negotiations 12 months before an amendable date, mediation on the amendable date, and at least a 5% bump every nine months that the contacts is still not resolved. Put teeth in the agreement that behooves active negotiations.

As with everything, the devil is in the details.

Seriously. I made about the same W2 (actual dollar amount, not buying power) 10 years ago as an MD-88 F/O as I do now as a DC-9 Captain. :eek:

Not going to, and I think you can start to see where my position is by some of my posts. I know what is rational and reasonable for the responsibility and skills we all bring to the table. To make money you must spend money.

Very strong scope recapture (at all levels), even if over a few years, plus fixing pretty much every other issue immediately, could be worth less money if it was for a short term then right back into early openers in a year or so. Somehow I doubt that's what the company will offer though. More like some 5/4/4 nonsense with nominal improvements to a few areas and next to nothing in the scope department at the RJ/AK/JV levels.

Even I agree that is pathetic. That is why the company better realize that they need to up pay, not just for us, but to get potential pilots in to the careers. They assume we will stay no matter what they pay us, and I have to say, that may be false.

DL is hiring, just at our Alaska and DCI affiliates on different seniority lists, as well as hiring future Delta pilots at Hawaiian that will benefit from a massive relative seniority situation when the merger happens.

If it is offered on the fist pass, it is eyewash.

You have noticed the HI situation too? A 2003 hire is now a 330A :eek: