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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1072685)

That's the part you're missing. Many of these folks DO NOT have to live under the contract. They collect maximum pay plus stipends plus seeing their families every night and sleeping in their own beds.

Not actually having to work under our conditions is part of the problem.

Carl

I have always thought there should be 2yr. term limits for every ALPA position, for that very reason.

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Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 1072306)

We frequently see guys on this board decrying career ALPA politicians. Now we have an MEC chairman who would rather be on the line, but sees work that needs to be done by "someone", and actually steps up to the plate to do it.

There's a way to do both. Here's how: You can come up from the "outside" with a top education and business record, then use that experience to lead the union for one or two terms maximum. Then you keep your promise by returning to the line. Now here's the important part...while you are in office, you do your job like you actually want to be there. In this way you're not a career politician, AND you want to be there while you ARE there.

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Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 1072306)

Wouldn't it just be easier to sit at the computer and complain about the MEC's direction or the pace of negotiations?

Pathetic attempt at trying to excuse a statement that the MEC Chairman should not have made.

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Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 1072306)

My hat's off to Tim for taking on the responsibility.

Me too. Except I mean Caplinger.

Carl

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1072685)

How do you then justify no term limit for the DPA reps that they are proposing?

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Originally Posted by UncleSam (Post 1072314)

Are you sure that the rates are quoted in Euros? The Additional Duty period/Per Diem category below the monthly rate is shown in $. I think Rishworth uses $ throughout since many of the folks searching there are US citizens.

Yes. Euros.

Carl

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Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 1072324)

Or why not be honest with the people you're representing?

To me, he seems to be acting in an honest and forthright manner, and is doing exactly what we've been asking for. We want someone who will listen to us, and base the MEC's direction on that input. We're six months away from exchanging openers, and guys are ready to crucify him already.

Exactly. But we don't have that now. Instead, we have an MEC permanent bureaucracy that has flatly ignored the lawful flight pay loss resolution that was passed by my council.

Carl

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Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 1072330)

Is 9700 Euro/month the monthly take-home pay for an A380 captain? That doesn't seem like very much. I would hope we don't rely too much on the AF/KLM numbers.

It works out to be about 330,000 per year. I wouldn't mind relying on that as an accurate comparable to use as a floor for our contract. If we had a real union as opposed to a communication's arm for management, they'd want that too.

Carl

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Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 1072332)

Good point. At least TO is stepping up and doing something.

Yes he is. He's blocking and ignoring the lawful flight pay loss resolution passed by my LEC.

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Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 1072332)

Those who can or will...DO.

Those who can't (or in our case, won't)...get on forums and complain.

Translation: Shut up and do what you're told. Exactly what a bottom-up organization should be...right Herkflyr?

Carl

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1072366)

I DO have a problem with the card drive, especially as we enter section 6.

Every little thing that management gives in negotiations "raises the floor." If management is not sure who has authority to negotiate with them as our bargaining agent, management will sit tight until the uncertainty is resolved. There is no point in negotiating with the wrong party.

The way I see it, every card undermines the guy at the table bargaining on our behalf.

If the DPA wins the election, then I'll support the DPA (which will be supporting our pilots). However, at this point a representational battle just stalls, and harms, contract 2012.

Your post is right on the money ... participate in your LEC election. Elect guys who you support (and who support you).

JUST MY OPINION

Voting in the DPA prior to our Section 6 opener is absolutely critical for us to have any chance at restoration. Our OWN UNION is trying desperately to keep critical information from us in the hopes of producing a contract survey that allow them their desire to aim really low. If that doesn't work, they'll simply never release the survey results. Then the MEC will create the opener THEY want to give to management. At that point, we're done. Even if we vote in the DPA at that point, we'll never do better than the opener given to management at the start of Section 6.

The evidence is all around us that we are being "mushroomed". We are now being explicitly told that we will "of course" not see the survey results or the opener...even though we ALWAYS saw the opener on the North side. The excuse is some idiotic analogy to playing poker.

Glad you're happy with this, but I'm not. If we don't change this course, we lose.

Carl

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1072387)

Well, if you can do the math to come up with a CASM (cost per available seat mile) comparison, and IF we come out much 'cheaper' than they, and IF you can attribute all of the difference in CASM to Pilot Pay, then you might have an argument for an increase to match them, worth exploiting.

The company will come back with something along the lines of, "But it's much more expensive to live in Paris than in PTC, so they have to pay them more, and they have to pay 50% income tax, and their gubmint pays their health care..." etc.

So, to my way of thinking, it's still apples and oranges.

But in your way of thinking, what argument would you make to the company with this information?

Easy. You say: "Our JV partner (Air France) has this, and our largest competitor (Southwest) has this. We want this as well. You want to call the NMB or shall I?"

Carl

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1072697)

How do you then justify no term limit for the DPA reps that they are proposing?

Term limits should be self enforced in my opinion. Rather than being forced out of office by an official term limit, I always enjoy the contortions of the candidate excusing why his/her performance is so good that he/she just KNOWS that their constituents wants them to continue. That person gets my NO vote everytime.

Carl