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Old 10-31-2011 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by fishguy79
Ok, are you trying to confuse me or is it just working out that way. You agree that the PBS min staffing is based on block hours, then state we derive staffing from block hours????? Not trying to be a richard cranium, just trying to understand what you mean
PBS min staffing is a formula based upon block hrs. The staffing reports go off of the min staffing needs that use the PBS min staffing metric. The headcount report is separate, and will always show more bodies than what is required contractually. Why? The airline cannot run at PBS min staffing.

They tried it back in the mid part of last decade and it did not work.
Old 10-31-2011 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
PBS min staffing is a formula based upon block hrs. The staffing reports go off of the min staffing needs that use the PBS min staffing metric. The headcount report is separate, and will always show more bodies than what is required contractually. Why? The airline cannot run at PBS min staffing.

They tried it back in the mid part of last decade and it did not work.

I get that, but by looking at the 22d2 reports from 11 to 12 should give you an idea where the bid is going to go. As an example, the May 11 22d2 showed 225 ca spots on the 744 and the aug 11 bid had 246 bodies. If the block hours were reduced to only need 180 Ca it would make no sense that they carry 245 bodies when they were able to get away with carry 10 over min the year before. Or am I missing something.
Old 10-31-2011 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by fishguy79
I get that, but by looking at the 22d2 reports from 11 to 12 should give you an idea where the bid is going to go. As an example, the May 11 22d2 showed 225 ca spots on the 744 and the aug 11 bid had 246 bodies. If the block hours were reduced to only need 180 Ca it would make no sense that they carry 245 bodies when they were able to get away with carry 10 over min the year before. Or am I missing something.
I am not saying you are missing anything. I was discussing the staffing models. Of note is this is a May 2012 report. I would suspect that the ones going forward will show an increase in staffing as the whales come out of mods.

Also MAC flying is generally not known and therefore not included in the block hr and staffing plans.
Old 10-31-2011 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
Bar I saw that also, I'm not sure about the implications of using the cash reserves to reduce adjusted debt, IOW is this an accounting adjustment, or is this a way of massaging then numbers for some type of upcoming investment opportunity?

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If you had $200,000 in the bank and a $200,000 mortgage, your net debt is zero. You could take the money out of the bank and pay off your mortgage and your net worth would not have changed. You could then take another mortgage on your house and get $200,000 cash and your net worth still hasn't changed.

Delta needs to have cash on hand to deal with day to day operations and they also have reserve cash to deal with unforeseen events. They also have cash on hand to be able to take advantage of any investment opportunities that are available or will be available.

Right now they have about $3.3 billion in real cash and another $1.8 in a revolver (like a revolving home equity loan, except a lot bigger) that they can draw on whenever they like. In order to report net debt, they subtract the $3.3 billion from their real debt number to deal with the fact that, theoretically, they could take all that cash and use it to reduce debt.

That is why "cash on hand" is often reported, but it is a next to useless statistic most of the time. In a case like American, sitting on the doorstep of the bankruptcy court, the cash can make all the difference in the world. Delta right now is producing a lot of free cash flow and they look to continue to produce that cash flow well into the future, so their cash on hand is lower, percentage-wise, than many other carriers. Delta could borrow more money and increase their cash on hand but that wouldn't affect their financial condition one iota other than to increase interest payments. Delta's focus on reducing debt is reducing their monthly interest payments which increases profits. That is smart in my opinion.
Old 10-31-2011 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by LivingTheDream
I agree...very difficult...but doable, given the right team.

Furthermore, since we will have given the co. at least a bil/year for 8 years, by 01jan13, it is time for said co. to reciprocate.

Btw, we have DPA because our bargaining agent can't seem to say the restoration word in public. We would not have 25% of the group fractured, if DALPA would make it clear at every opportunity, that we will be seeking significant improvements in all areas of the CBA, period!

Unfortunately, I sincerely believe you will not see any statements from our current group, that are even remotely close to this. I hope I am proven wrong.
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Agreed, and to continue DALPA's (somewhat misplaced) poker analogy, this would equate to walking into the casino saying "I want to win tonight. I want to win badly, and I deserve to win." That has no impact on the outcome of the game - just lets the opponent know you mean business.
Old 10-31-2011 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
If you had $200,000 in the bank and a $200,000 mortgage, your net debt is zero. You could take the money out of the bank and pay off your mortgage and your net worth would not have changed. You could then take another mortgage on your house and get $200,000 cash and your net worth still hasn't changed.

Delta needs to have cash on hand to deal with day to day operations and they also have reserve cash to deal with unforeseen events. They also have cash on hand to be able to take advantage of any investment opportunities that are available or will be available.

Right now they have about $3.3 billion in real cash and another $1.8 in a revolver (like a revolving home equity loan, except a lot bigger) that they can draw on whenever they like. In order to report net debt, they subtract the $3.3 billion from their real debt number to deal with the fact that, theoretically, they could take all that cash and use it to reduce debt.

That is why "cash on hand" is often reported, but it is a next to useless statistic most of the time. In a case like American, sitting on the doorstep of the bankruptcy court, the cash can make all the difference in the world. Delta right now is producing a lot of free cash flow and they look to continue to produce that cash flow well into the future, so their cash on hand is lower, percentage-wise, than many other carriers. Delta could borrow more money and increase their cash on hand but that wouldn't affect their financial condition one iota other than to increase interest payments. Delta's focus on reducing debt is reducing their monthly interest payments which increases profits. That is smart in my opinion.
Good explanation, and as George pointed out, cash on hand allows they to go after possible opportunities when they present themselves.

You talk about AMR, and imo, if they enter CH11, the result will be a industry changer.
Old 10-31-2011 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Good explanation, and as George pointed out, cash on hand allows they to go after possible opportunities when they present themselves.

You talk about AMR, and imo, if they enter CH11, the result will be a industry changer.
Understatement of the month.
Old 10-31-2011 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Good explanation, and as George pointed out, cash on hand allows they to go after possible opportunities when they present themselves.

You talk about AMR, and imo, if they enter CH11, the result will be a industry changer.
ACL you are the master of the nebulous non-statement... of course I mean that in a good way
Old 10-31-2011 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Understatement of the month.
It was meant to be an understatement. I personally do not see them leaving CH11 as an intact carrier.

One airline will be parted out. LCC or AMR, it depends on if AMR avoids CH11, or not.
Old 10-31-2011 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
If you had $200,000 in the bank and a $200,000 mortgage, your net debt is zero. You could take the money out of the bank and pay off your mortgage and your net worth would not have changed. You could then take another mortgage on your house and get $200,000 cash and your net worth still hasn't changed.

Delta needs to have cash on hand to deal with day to day operations and they also have reserve cash to deal with unforeseen events. They also have cash on hand to be able to take advantage of any investment opportunities that are available or will be available.

Right now they have about $3.3 billion in real cash and another $1.8 in a revolver (like a revolving home equity loan, except a lot bigger) that they can draw on whenever they like. In order to report net debt, they subtract the $3.3 billion from their real debt number to deal with the fact that, theoretically, they could take all that cash and use it to reduce debt.

That is why "cash on hand" is often reported, but it is a next to useless statistic most of the time. In a case like American, sitting on the doorstep of the bankruptcy court, the cash can make all the difference in the world. Delta right now is producing a lot of free cash flow and they look to continue to produce that cash flow well into the future, so their cash on hand is lower, percentage-wise, than many other carriers. Delta could borrow more money and increase their cash on hand but that wouldn't affect their financial condition one iota other than to increase interest payments. Delta's focus on reducing debt is reducing their monthly interest payments which increases profits. That is smart in my opinion.
Alfa that's a well written explanation of an accounting practice. It's too bad that you didn't write accounting textbooks because Ferd and I would've gotten better grades.

But they wouldn't have let you write them anyways because if you make it too good kids pass and there is never a need for another expensive updated edition.
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