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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
(Post 1080033)
You must be a rep, because this the same stuff they are saying in the Q&A sessions. Watch out for the NMB, don't compare us to SWA or FedEx, yada yada yada. It's called managing expectations
btw, I just included SWA and FedEx in my discussion. Tough getting off the donut website talking points, isn't it...:p
Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
(Post 1080033)
The good thing is the DPA is gaining momentum, and a bad first TA via ALPA could push the DPA cards in via waves. It's all about results this time, and Delta's finances are better, (including $952 million in bag fees last year) so that excuse won't work. ALPA could lose the $38 million in dues from Delta each year, and YOU know it. Put out a great TA, or expect the vote. I can't wait. Either ALPA gives us a TA worthy to vote on with no excuses, or we can vote for something different, and with the second round of considation coming up (not my words, a high level guy's, even more leverage btw) there is no excuse.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1079957)
Lots of great things in your post. You however left out the most important part. How do you play hardball. Let me hear your suggestions as to what DALPA should do to play hardball. I don't mean the opener. DALPA can open for anything they want. What I mean is how do you produce a outcome within the bounds of the RLA and NMB. That is the key to everything yet never seems to be discussed here.
And when I say leader I don't mean a leader led by committees, but a leader. Like a gloopy. Because you want a Belgian work horse, someone you can believe in, not a jackass- a horse designed by committee. We don't want that thus we don't want a union run by an LEC and committees. We want them to do their part and keep a union chairman we elected in check. But it's already been pointed out that pilots aren't smart enough to pick their union chairman. |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1080039)
You have overwhelming unity backing a strong union leader.
And when I say leader I don't mean a leader led by committees, but a leader. Like a gloopy. Because you want a Belgian work horse, something you can believe in. You know, a jackass is a horse designed by committee. We don't want that thus we don't want a union run by an LEC and committees. We want them to do their part and keep a union chairman we elected in check. But it's already Ben pointed out that pilots aren't smart enough to pick their union chairman. Do I have that right? |
And yes I realize LM was a "strong leader" but in our current system wasn't supposed to allow that to happen.
Besides, nothing wrong with a strong leader as long as you can fire them. |
Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 1080041)
So when Moak was chair everyone whined that he was autocratic, not inclusive, yadda yadda. Now O'Malley is chair and he's weak and led by committees.
Do I have that right? |
Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 1080041)
So when Moak was chair everyone whined that he was autocratic, not inclusive, yadda yadda. Now O'Malley is chair and he's weak and led by committees.
Do I have that right? |
Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 1080041)
So when Moak was chair everyone whined that he was autocratic, not inclusive, yadda yadda. Now O'Malley is chair and he's weak and led by committees.
Do I have that right? I will say trying to comprehend Section 1. P. makes my head hurt, "inter alia," ouch. So I guess I will complain about that. |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1080057)
While you write that someone else is yelling at me Tim O'Malley was autocratic and signed MOU 14 all by himself without input.
I will say trying to comprehend Section 1. P. makes my head hurt, "inter alia," ouch. So I guess I will complain about that. |
Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 1080037)
Nope, not a rep. And I didn't know you were so weak that your expectations could be "managed" with this discussion.
btw, I just included SWA and FedEx in my discussion. Tough getting off the donut website talking points, isn't it...:p Yeah, that guy with the website, no results, and checkered legal advice is the panacea you seek...:rolleyes: already working on recruitment, which is growing by the day. If the eventual TA isn't good, look for a vote soon after. It's great you discount almost 4000 pilots who are obviously disgruntled.(sounds like ALPA to me) Oh, you forgot about them.... And that number will grow. Tell the other reps that please. And are my expectations easily managed by this discussion, or the fact that reps are repeating what you are saying? That's the scary part. Look, tell the negotiators and your bosses to get us a great TA, ok? Why do you say Donut people on here, too? Are you scared the DALPA forum people may get mad at you like they do in Hanger Talk? Don't be scared.... |
I really think ALPA will push for a good chunk of more money. They are greedy too and the more money we make the more dues they get!
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