Originally Posted by hoserpilot

I agree, Carl is a target....a big target on this board. I've sent my card in. I read the DPA emails. I've scoured the site. I've talked about DPA with my captains. I was at the 44 meeting today. I was at the Alps roadshow in PTC. I'm informed and I'm trying to get ALL the facts. Carl has posted a lot of facts but so have the Alpa supporters. We can't ignore that. It just gets so old to get on this site and see 10 posts in a row by Carl where he insults people. Here are some quotes;

If you really were a rep for 6 years, you truly must have been an awful one.

And I thought you were a serious person. You're just another ALPA apologist

Or people who need to lie about what's actually in the SWAPA contract...eh Pineapple Guy? (calling someone a liar)

what you've stated above because it shows such an amazing lack comprehension.

Your problem is that you see yourself as part of that big honey pot someday where you get max pay while staying home with your family every night on flight pay loss. (I know this guy....this is not his goal)

Wow! You are truly Kool-Aid infused

Y-Zass! (this was funny, I actually laughed out loud, thanks for making me spill my popcorn!!)

, but I also know it's your job to lie for the MEC...while on full flight pay loss. (do you really know Alfa's union position? I don't)



These were just from the last couple of days. I'm happy that Carl is pointing out facts and problems with Alpa. I'm also glad that Alpa supporters are digging into DPA. Sifting through the mudslinging rhetoric just gets so dog gone old. The above quotes distort his message.....in my opinion.

Dal88, I think people are finally wising up to your message. I'll bet many surveys will be supportive of restoration.

Carl, keep on doing what your doing but seriously, try to avoid the stuff above. The in-house union drive at my old carrier really did die a quick death from just one person. He was seen as a forum rabble rowser. The guy penned a letter and emailed it to the masses. Union drive supporters, like myself, crapped our pants when we saw this. We tried to have him tone down his internet rhetoric. He did but then sent out "the letter." Non-union supporters picked up on this and ran to the goal line. Carl, I know it sucks but you really do have to cater to people with softer feelings. (now I sound like a wheenie!! I'm not, really) The competition will use anything and everything they can to discredit you. Likewise, I would expect the same from DPA to discredit Alpa.

Hoserpilot...eh

Originally Posted by DAL73n

The big thing to remember on this is no medical qualifying for the Delta Life Insurance. If you can qualify for cheaper term then by all means go ahead. Most people don't have enough life insurance (especially if you have a stay at home mom and want to provide enough money for the kids to go to school). A simple easy way to look at it is you knew you were going to die tomorrow how much life insurance would you get? While life insurance is a tough buy it is a critical part of any financial plan.

Originally Posted by Waves

This just in from Crew Resources:

ATL-767
We have received several questions about the future of the ATL-767 category. The long range plan is to create a single 7ER category in order to gain efficiencies and increase flexibility from a combined category. In order to minimize the training costs associated with the move, our plan is to not backfill the 767 category as pilots leave. Additionally, in the coming years as 757 and 767 aircraft are retired and there are surpluses created on the 767 and/or 7ER, we may surplus pilots from the 767 category. We do not currently have a timeline of when the 767 category will be closed.

Doesn't sound very encouraging. I think I need to put in some displacement bids.

Originally Posted by Scoop

Lets start a pool - How long until we are down to 10,000 Pilots? On second thought maybe there is a silver lining in this cloud - If we keep shrinking its only a matter of time before we can apply for protection under the endangered species act!

We can even help marketing - Would you pay a few dollars more to help the double breasted, always crowned, flying mainline pilot? At their glorious peak they freely roamed throughout the USA included Alaska, and Hawaii with offshoots establishing a temporary habitation in Europe in the early 1990's.

Recently however times have been tough on the double breasted always crowned mainline Pilot. After hitting an apogee in the year 2000 the double breasted has been in decline and slowly retreating with only the native breeding grounds of Atlanta GA, and Southeastern Michigan still flourishing.

After the introduction of a non-indigenous species into the habitat - the spiked hair, backpack wearing RJ Pilot - the double breasted has been suffering a terrible population slide. Add to that predatory competition from the Alaskan bearded lady aviator and well, lets just say its been a tough decade for the 'ole double breasted.

Scoop - Watching too much Discovery Channel

Originally Posted by Scoop

Lets start a pool - How long until we are down to 10,000 Pilots? On second thought maybe there is a silver lining in this cloud - If we keep shrinking its only a matter of time before we can apply for protection under the endangered species act!

We can even help marketing - Would you pay a few dollars more to help the double breasted, always crowned, flying mainline pilot? At their glorious peak they freely roamed throughout the USA included Alaska, and Hawaii with offshoots establishing a temporary habitation in Europe in the early 1990's.

Recently however times have been tough on the double breasted always crowned mainline Pilot. After hitting an apogee in the year 2000 the double breasted has been in decline and slowly retreating with only the native breeding grounds of Atlanta GA, and Southeastern Michigan still flourishing.

After the introduction of a non-indigenous species into the habitat - the spiked hair, backpack wearing RJ Pilot - the double breasted has been suffering a terrible population slide. Add to that predatory competition from the Alaskan bearded lady aviator and well, lets just say its been a tough decade for the 'ole double breasted.

Scoop - Watching too much Discovery Channel

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy

Are you sure my timing is off? Here's how I came up with a two year delay:

1) Six months for the NMB to call for an election and the results to be determined.
2) Assuming DPA wins, six more months for DPA to conduct fair and balanced elections to fill the slate of local and national officers, as well as staff all the committees
3) Once the officers are in, it will take another six months to develop and then survey the pilot group and figure out what they want, based on the DPA survey
4) Once those results are known, another six months to craft an opener.

Frankly, I think those are best case times - so two years is probably optimistic. Meanwhile, the rest of us tread water and watch the world go by living under "status quo" conditions.

No thanks.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Of note the C44 LEC meeting had the best attendance I have seen in at least the past few years.

Originally Posted by Scoop

Lets start a pool - How long until we are down to 10,000 Pilots? On second thought maybe there is a silver lining in this cloud - If we keep shrinking its only a matter of time before we can apply for protection under the endangered species act!

We can even help marketing - Would you pay a few dollars more to help the double breasted, always crowned, flying mainline pilot? At their glorious peak they freely roamed throughout the USA including Alaska, and Hawaii with offshoots establishing a temporary habitation in Europe in the early 1990's.

Recently however times have been tough on the double breasted always crowned mainline Pilot. After hitting an apogee in the year 2000 the double breasted has been in decline and slowly retreating with only the native breeding grounds of Atlanta GA, and Southeastern Michigan still flourishing.

After the introduction of a non-indigenous species into the habitat - the spiked hair, backpack wearing RJ Pilot - the double breasted has been suffering a terrible population slide. Add to that predatory competition from the Alaskan bearded lady aviator and well, lets just say its been a tough decade for the 'ole double breasted.

Scoop - Watching too much Discovery Channel

Originally Posted by Scoop

Lets start a pool - How long until we are down to 10,000 Pilots? On second thought maybe there is a silver lining in this cloud - If we keep shrinking its only a matter of time before we can apply for protection under the endangered species act!

We can even help marketing - Would you pay a few dollars more to help the double breasted, always crowned, flying mainline pilot? At their glorious peak they freely roamed throughout the USA including Alaska, and Hawaii with offshoots establishing a temporary habitation in Europe in the early 1990's.

Recently however times have been tough on the double breasted always crowned mainline Pilot. After hitting an apogee in the year 2000 the double breasted has been in decline and slowly retreating with only the native breeding grounds of Atlanta GA, and Southeastern Michigan still flourishing.

After the introduction of a non-indigenous species into the habitat - the spiked hair, backpack wearing RJ Pilot - the double breasted has been suffering a terrible population slide. Add to that predatory competition from the Alaskan bearded lady aviator and well, lets just say its been a tough decade for the 'ole double breasted.

Scoop - Watching too much Discovery Channel

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy

Are you sure my timing is off? Here's how I came up with a two year delay:

1) Six months for the NMB to call for an election and the results to be determined.
2) Assuming DPA wins, six more months for DPA to conduct fair and balanced elections to fill the slate of local and national officers, as well as staff all the committees
3) Once the officers are in, it will take another six months to develop and then survey the pilot group and figure out what they want, based on the DPA survey
4) Once those results are known, another six months to craft an opener.

Frankly, I think those are best case times - so two years is probably optimistic. Meanwhile, the rest of us tread water and watch the world go by living under "status quo" conditions.

No thanks.