Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
11-11-2011, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
How about all of that food you eat out when not at home. I know when I commuted, I paid about 250 a month for a decent crash pad, and then a ton on fast and faster food that I would not have eaten if I was at home.
No one equates time and lost trips either.
No one equates time and lost trips either.
11-11-2011, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Pensions are a closed Item in this TA. They have always been in the AA pilots names. Now they are frozen. Pensions are off the table.
How many independant unions are pensions off the table with to date?
How many independant unions are pensions off the table with to date?
The A-plan is NOT frozen, and NOT in pilot's names.
The B-plan is NOT frozen, but is in pilot's name
If the A-plan has a "run on the bank" it will likely terminate, and those at the top will lose a significant chunk of their benefit....just like at Delta.
11-11-2011, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Does anyone think Delta is setting up to furlough?
11-11-2011, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Just goes to show you that even our company does not compare us to LCC. Keep that in mind for Section 6.
We have more retirements that AMR, but UCAL is going to be going fairly strong here in a few years as well.
We have more retirements that AMR, but UCAL is going to be going fairly strong here in a few years as well.
11-11-2011, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Whoever it was, it wasn't newK. Engines know better than to catch on fire with him.
Originally Posted by gloopy
He once had both engines catch on fire at the same time. It doubled his climb rate. At the destination he wrote it up and MX signed it off "ops check normal, could not duplicate".
11-11-2011, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Carl,
A lot has to do with shifting costs off property. Our management is focused on reducing our debt which means not buying things, like airplanes. Air France has about 1/3 of our debt load and has their aircraft acquisitions subsidized. They have 76 wide body jets on order.
On the DCI side, SkyWest is the largest Bombardier customer on the planet and they get significant (was about 25%) off the lowest prices paid by competitors for parts and support. Then you got some operators like Republic and Trans States who are willing to make silly deals just to keep the growth going. Trans States (GoJets parent) uses alter ego creations to side step scope and destroy longevity, so it resets pilot costs every so often. Delta can't compete on those terms.
As Delta shrinks it has fewer operations to allocate costs to. Our metrics as measured by seat miles will increase in cost. Hence the law that "you can not shrink to profitability."
I agree with management's work to reduce debt. I understand they can maintain and grow their network without us. The answer I have proposed is that "Delta" pilots perform this flying, even if the operator is not "Delta Air Lines."
You now understand why I equate unity to power at the bargaining table. Management can make this place work without us. We need better, more effective, scope to turn this around.
I like the JV language, but the 36 month compliance window was, and is, too large.
A lot has to do with shifting costs off property. Our management is focused on reducing our debt which means not buying things, like airplanes. Air France has about 1/3 of our debt load and has their aircraft acquisitions subsidized. They have 76 wide body jets on order.
On the DCI side, SkyWest is the largest Bombardier customer on the planet and they get significant (was about 25%) off the lowest prices paid by competitors for parts and support. Then you got some operators like Republic and Trans States who are willing to make silly deals just to keep the growth going. Trans States (GoJets parent) uses alter ego creations to side step scope and destroy longevity, so it resets pilot costs every so often. Delta can't compete on those terms.
As Delta shrinks it has fewer operations to allocate costs to. Our metrics as measured by seat miles will increase in cost. Hence the law that "you can not shrink to profitability."
I agree with management's work to reduce debt. I understand they can maintain and grow their network without us. The answer I have proposed is that "Delta" pilots perform this flying, even if the operator is not "Delta Air Lines."
You now understand why I equate unity to power at the bargaining table. Management can make this place work without us. We need better, more effective, scope to turn this around.
I like the JV language, but the 36 month compliance window was, and is, too large.
SWA picks SWA pilots first and always. DAL picks DAL pilots only as a last resort. That's our reality.
Carl
11-11-2011, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Waves
Caution: Another long rant by Waves. Just be thankful you don’t have to fly with me. LOL Thanks FreightDog, but apparently you didn't read my disclaimer at the bottom. I stated that you didn't say all of those things. Also I'm not whining about how it was when I got hired either. At the time, I thought I had it pretty good too even as an SO. I was much happier than while I was in the military. Possibly a complete misinterpretation here. As I have recently said several times, I was one of many who advocated contract changes to "share the wealth" and reduce the pain for the new guys. So please don't misconstrue what I'm saying here. I would love to delve into what a very wise senior Captain once told me about this issue because it is very relevant and enlightening, but it is also so complex as to not be forum material. What I am trying to say here and not doing it very well is: Unfortunately every contract we negotiate along with every single issue is assigned a fairly rigid value by management. This is the way management must look at every contract negotiation. The values of such issues are like building blocks which determine what the company will accept. Thirty years ago, Captains were not willing to allow some/any of those building blocks (costs) to be used to protect the new guys. They were very strongly opposed to doing so. Believe it or not, in many ways they were correct. You probably stopped reading right there. Ha But then that is back to my earlier comment of which would require a ton of explaining. Lucy! I’m not trying to be elusive, but the explanation is something that is not easily typed. Does it matter now? Not really, but new guys shouldn't expect to just have the red carpet rolled out for them just because they are new. Old guys like me should not be expected to roll over and sacrifice everything for them. We are on a limited time line and our retirements have been compromised to say the least. One of the big problems with our industry is that new guys coming in for good reason don’t seem to understand past history and how the dream job was affected. Their dream job! Quite frankly, some of the Boo Hoo posts I read I just want to puke. Oh, Boo Hoo, I’m a new guy and I’m going to be frozen in category for a year. Does anyone really think that a twenty or thirty year guy like me wants to hear this after our airline upbringing? This post is probably brash, but I’m in a hurry to get it online so I can pack for my trip. The audacity of the company to give me a trip. LOL Here is the good news. I could be wrong about everything. HA HA
This LOA was negotiated outside of Section 6, so your talk of contact negotiations is off topic.
Nobody expects "old guys" like you to roll over. All "young guys" (and by young I mean junior) like me expect is for you "old guys" to realize that being a new guy now is nothing like being a new guy 20 years ago. You're right in one respect. We don't have to sit sideways anymore. Rather than suffer that indignity, we get to sit forwards and watch all those Engineer jobs taxi past us RJ by RJ.....
I, for one, would be happy to sit sideways for years at NWA DC-10 pay. Alas, that's been OBA (Overcome by ALPA).
11-11-2011, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Carl,
I know I do not need to tell you this, but money is the driver, not paying us to be nice. DCI gets debt off the balance sheet, and allows lower rates, debt service etc on the existing debt. It is now all about money.
I know I do not need to tell you this, but money is the driver, not paying us to be nice. DCI gets debt off the balance sheet, and allows lower rates, debt service etc on the existing debt. It is now all about money.
This is why our demand of the SWAPA contract is so critically important. The exclusive scope language would force our management to move away from their utterly failed strategy that has cost us billions. Our management is too stubbornly proud to ever admit it, so we simply have to do this for their own good. Your brand must never be entrusted to others. That's a recipe for certain failure.
Carl
11-11-2011, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
I'm starting to think we should call the companies bluff and make them cost all of this out.
Have the union go to JG or higher and say, "we agree that commuting should be outlawed for the good of the company. We recommend everyone live within 100 miles of the base you're flying out of. If you (pilot) don't like it:
- retire
- resign
- take the company paid move"
I'll bet the cost of hiring, training, and moving would be eye watering. Then you'll see just how much the company REALLY believes commuting is a choice.
Have the union go to JG or higher and say, "we agree that commuting should be outlawed for the good of the company. We recommend everyone live within 100 miles of the base you're flying out of. If you (pilot) don't like it:
- retire
- resign
- take the company paid move"
I'll bet the cost of hiring, training, and moving would be eye watering. Then you'll see just how much the company REALLY believes commuting is a choice.
Carl
11-11-2011, 06:11 PM
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Short call credit question.
On Monday I was on short call. They assigned me short call on Tue which I acknowledged via ICREW (early afternoon on Mon). Later on Monday I was assigned a 2 day trip. On my way to the airport scheduling called me a changed my trip to a one day trip because there was a low time pilot conflict with another crew. When I returned Mon. night I was on long call. Should I recieve credit for the short call that I was assigned on Tue?
On Monday I was on short call. They assigned me short call on Tue which I acknowledged via ICREW (early afternoon on Mon). Later on Monday I was assigned a 2 day trip. On my way to the airport scheduling called me a changed my trip to a one day trip because there was a low time pilot conflict with another crew. When I returned Mon. night I was on long call. Should I recieve credit for the short call that I was assigned on Tue?
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