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11-11-2011 | 04:28 PM

#80251

acl65pilot

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Originally Posted by scambo1

I just read the Council 20 Chairman's letter about the Flight Pay Loss resolutions.

Comment 1. His stock just went up among his constituents.

Comment 2. DALPA MEC: Wow, just wow, you folks need to go somewhere else!

FPL is a big issue, not so much in its use, but the transparency of it. I agree it needs to be posted post month. Checking schedule is good to keep track, but it also needs to be posted by the LEC's and the MEC since they come from two or three or four different budgets depending on it comes form the annual budget, smra account, or National for National's business.

11-11-2011 | 04:29 PM

#80252

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Originally Posted by dragon

Does anyone think AMR will actually let the ink dry on the contract before they file Ch 11?

Yes, With the change in the chapter 11 laws and the very real threat that Parker will attempt a hostile takeover they will make every possible effort to stay out of Chapter 11. Why even bother signing a new contract if that was their plan.

11-11-2011 | 04:29 PM

#80253

scambo1

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Maybe, but I do think they need to reorganize. Problem is that with a new CBA with APA the judge is not going to be overly open to killing the contract. Pensions, yes, but not the contract em mass.

Pensions are a closed Item in this TA. They have always been in the AA pilots names. Now they are frozen. Pensions are off the table.

How many independant unions are pensions off the table with to date?

11-11-2011 | 04:31 PM

#80254

scambo1

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Originally Posted by dragon

Does anyone think AMR will actually let the ink dry on the contract before they file Ch 11?

AMR's not filing.

Clarification: 3 weeks ago, I would have absolutely bet they were, 90% chance. A couple days ago, I estimated the odds 60/40 that they weren't. Not great odds, but thats about where I am with it still. Anything is possible, they've made some missteps.

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11-11-2011 | 04:38 PM

#80255

dragon

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Originally Posted by scambo1

AMR's not filing.

Hope I'm wrong. Have several friends there.

11-11-2011 | 04:57 PM

#80256

Waves

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From: SLC 767ER Captain

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Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog

I didn't say any of those things. I don't know you from Adam, and I have no idea what your opinions on C2012 are. All I said was I don't want our potential (or mythical) new-hires to have a sh!ttier deal than I had when I got hired. I'm sorry you had to sit sideways for 4 years and endure a B scale for 5. I didn't. As a new-hire I had it pretty good, and I would like to see all of our future new-hires have it just as good as I did (sorry, T.... I know the grammar sucks). Just because you had a crappy first few years doesn't mean I should have, and it certainly doesn't mean the next wave of new-hires has to either. I left the "I dealt with it so you have to also" behind at the Fraternity house when I graduated college. My $0.02.

Have a good trip.

Caution: Another long rant by Waves. Just be thankful you don’t have to fly with me. LOL Thanks FreightDog, but apparently you didn't read my disclaimer at the bottom. I stated that you didn't say all of those things. Also I'm not whining about how it was when I got hired either. At the time, I thought I had it pretty good too even as an SO. I was much happier than while I was in the military. Possibly a complete misinterpretation here. As I have recently said several times, I was one of many who advocated contract changes to "share the wealth" and reduce the pain for the new guys. So please don't misconstrue what I'm saying here. I would love to delve into what a very wise senior Captain once told me about this issue because it is very relevant and enlightening, but it is also so complex as to not be forum material. What I am trying to say here and not doing it very well is: Unfortunately every contract we negotiate along with every single issue is assigned a fairly rigid value by management. This is the way management must look at every contract negotiation. The values of such issues are like building blocks which determine what the company will accept. Thirty years ago, Captains were not willing to allow some/any of those building blocks (costs) to be used to protect the new guys. They were very strongly opposed to doing so. Believe it or not, in many ways they were correct. You probably stopped reading right there. Ha But then that is back to my earlier comment of which would require a ton of explaining. Lucy! I’m not trying to be elusive, but the explanation is something that is not easily typed. Does it matter now? Not really, but new guys shouldn't expect to just have the red carpet rolled out for them just because they are new. Old guys like me should not be expected to roll over and sacrifice everything for them. We are on a limited time line and our retirements have been compromised to say the least. One of the big problems with our industry is that new guys coming in for good reason don’t seem to understand past history and how the dream job was affected. Their dream job! Quite frankly, some of the Boo Hoo posts I read I just want to puke. Oh, Boo Hoo, I’m a new guy and I’m going to be frozen in category for a year. Does anyone really think that a twenty or thirty year guy like me wants to hear this after our airline upbringing? This post is probably brash, but I’m in a hurry to get it online so I can pack for my trip. The audacity of the company to give me a trip. LOL Here is the good news. I could be wrong about everything. HA HA

Last edited by Waves; 11-11-2011 at 05:32 PM.

11-11-2011 | 05:00 PM

#80257

TeddyKGB

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

How about all of that food you eat out when not at home. I know when I commuted, I paid about 250 a month for a decent crash pad, and then a ton on fast and faster food that I would not have eaten if I was at home.

No one equates time and lost trips either.

Get a better crashpad next time that has a kitchen.

11-11-2011 | 05:04 PM

#80258

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Originally Posted by scambo1

scambo1 -- not true.

The A-plan is NOT frozen, and NOT in pilot's names.
The B-plan is NOT frozen, but is in pilot's name

If the A-plan has a "run on the bank" it will likely terminate, and those at the top will lose a significant chunk of their benefit....just like at Delta.

11-11-2011 | 05:26 PM

#80259

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From: 765-A

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

Does anyone think Delta is setting up to furlough?

No. But, for whatever reason, I do think they are trying to hold off on hiring for as long as they can. Maybe they are waiting for someone else to announce first.

11-11-2011 | 05:32 PM

#80260

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Just goes to show you that even our company does not compare us to LCC. Keep that in mind for Section 6.

We have more retirements that AMR, but UCAL is going to be going fairly strong here in a few years as well.

I didn't know about AMR. I thought they had a ton coming up shortly.