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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1104527)
I don't think they intentionally scheme against pilots. They get wound up so deeply in their own self righteousness and so called knowledge that they end up in some little sub world that totally misses the real world ramifications of their actions.
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1104522)
Wanna bet. I admit I had misconceived ideas about how it really went down. ALPA has issues, but lawyers and negotiators scheming against its pilots is not one of them.
What I did say is that ALPA National has a conflict of interest in representing both us and the outsourced pilots who are doing our flying. It's not some paranoid, evil plot against us. It's simply a case of conflicted priorities that has serious potential for compromised data and less than stellar advice. If you were getting a divorce, would you want the same attorney representing both you and your wife? Would a competent, ethical attorney even take that case? |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1104478)
You would have to do ALPA work and deal with these people to understand that what you are accusing these people of is totally baseless and false. They do not sit there and tell us that we need to sell scope, and all of this other crud. They give legal advice, and advise us or the ramifications of actions. Legal ramifications, and what precedence is. They do not tell is that we would hurt X or Y. We then tell them what they are going to do, and they do their job, which is to minimize our legal risk as much as possible.
Carl |
Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
(Post 1104534)
"Scheming against its pilots" - Now who said that? I know I didn't.
What I did say is that ALPA National has a conflict of interest in representing both us and the outsourced pilots who are doing our flying. It's not some paranoid, evil plot against us. It's simply a case of conflicted priorities that has serious potential for compromised data and less than stellar advice. If you were getting a divorce, would you want the same attorney representing both you and your wife? Would a competent, ethical attorney even take that case? DCI carriers bargain with their companies, we bargain with DAL. Huge difference than a divorce where you both bargain with a judge. |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1104535)
Translation: Unless you've done ALPA work, your interpretation of facts is incorrect.
Carl |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1104508)
No Carl, a card does not suffice as volunteering your time.
Carl |
Originally Posted by OccupyRestSeat
(Post 1104376)
Is National going to approve a contract if it recaptures scope (like ours damn well better), but opens itself to a DFR suit from the regionals it also represents?
Wouldn't your example open a DFR case from the Delta pilots? :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1104544)
I do a lot more to reach that goal than just turn in a card. Many others of us do as well. It's just nice to finally have your approval to do so. ;)
Carl |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1104527)
I don't think they intentionally scheme against pilots. They get wound up so deeply in their own self righteousness and so called knowledge that they end up in some little sub world that totally misses the real world ramifications of their actions.
Carl |
Maybe, just maybe DALPA supported the slot swap because it gives DAL a death hold on LGA, which provides pricing power in the NYC market. It provides more revenue opportunity which in turn creates revenue making Delta a healthy, profitable company. That revenue provides job protection. The RJ's will shift & mainline will shift. The never ending shuffle continues.
The RJ's have to be flown somewhere. DAL signed contracts, & they have to comply with them. |
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