Originally Posted by N9373M (Post 1104246)

Can you make it 6 uboob out of 6? They are usually paired.

thx.

Originally Posted by orvil (Post 1104242)

http://www.mss1.com/graphics/right-stuff.jpg

The Cast of TL&G. Are you man or racoon enough?

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1104320)

Your last part that I bolded is wrong.

There are many that do care and they were just as irked as you are. Many of them did something and got involved. Some things they could change, other things they realized that their interpretation of things was off, and others they realized they were in the minority on, but continued to work to change things.

I agree that I am not paid enough, that I want DAL to want to do its own flying, that we need to force the issue in section 1 of our PWA, etc, what I disagree with is that airing that on a web board is where it needs to stop. (Same goes for sending in a card) If you really want change and want what you demand, get involved in DALPA, or volunteer your time to get them off property.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1104505)

4,100 of us are doing just that.

Carl

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1104478)

You would have to do ALPA work and deal with these people to understand that what you are accusing these people of is totally baseless and false.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1104360)

Just because you meet with them doesn't mean you can't tell them to pack sand.

Originally Posted by OccupyRestSeat (Post 1104388)

"Almost every attorney" said we had no case regarding RAH, when the spirit of our contract was certainly violated via the exploitation of a loophole.

You may have faith in our contract, lawyers, and DALPA's spine, but based on precedent, I do not.

See also "Delta Connection" paint discussion in a parallel thread.

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1104513)

Another misdirection. You have to do ALPA work to really understand all the nuances and complexities.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...uPvTC7MEu16jyv

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1104522)

Wanna bet. I admit I had misconceived ideas about how it really went down. ALPA has issues, but lawyers and negotiators scheming against its pilots is not one of them.

Originally Posted by crewdawg52 (Post 1104442)

Why in the hell should we "meet with them" in the first place! It's OUR scope, our contract, not thiers!!!

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1104475)

This is one of the big problems I see with ALPA. We get our EF&A from ALPA National resources. We get our legal advice from ALPA National. There's just too much possibility that the info/advice/legal language we get is influenced by ALPA National's responsibility to represent ALL of its member pilots, many of whom have interests that are diametrically opposed to ours.

And then we have examples like the RAH thing and the Delta Connection paint thing. Symptoms of a problem that I don't see how one can deny.