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johnso29 02-02-2012 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by cni187 (Post 1128182)
What is this?

Perhaps he means that since almost every MSP DC9 trip starts with a DH to ATL, guys who were displaced to MSP DC9 CA from MEM DC9 CA can just deviate from MEM to ATL. Just my interpretation. Guys who were MD'd don't actually get PS passes to work.

Amish Pilot 02-02-2012 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1128128)
I'm leaving and going to the er, so you can say I'm in the transition phase. :D I'll miss it though.

Good Luck and Enjoy the new airplane!

FmrFreightDog 02-02-2012 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1128143)
FWIW, I'm not close to flying this month. My bet is my first trip comes in week 3 of 4 unless the weather requires otherwise. Still don't agree with the system.

I'm in the same boat, slightly junior to you if I had to guess. Also strongly disagree with the system as structured. Move the buckets down so that a nice 4 day and maybe a short call puts someone into the second bucket then I'm all for it. I think it's a lost cause at this point. ALPA seems content with the changes, and the company ain't gonna change the size of the buckets until it starts costing them money (junior guys flying ALV while senior guys sit at home with their thumbs up their... Err I mean logging onto Icrew to read their bulletins).

Problem is that people like you and I are trying to make our case to people who have never had to make a decision between being a crappy line holder or a decently senior reserve guy for 5 years of stagnation. This change cuts the legs out of all but the top 10% of reserve guys in a large, overstaffed category like M88B, but I think we're just going to have to suck this one up.

If you take ALPA at their word, this is what the masses wanted. Doesn't make me think it sucks any less.

Amish Pilot 02-02-2012 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1128187)
Perhaps he means that since almost every MSP DC9 trip starts with a DH to ATL, guys who were displaced to MSP DC9 CA from MEM DC9 CA can just deviate from MEM to ATL. Just my interpretation. Guys who were MD'd don't actually get PS passes to work.

You are wise beyond your years johnso29. That is exactly what I was hinting at. No PS passes, just the ability to deviate, but I am not sure if it works on the RJ flights out of MEM. So may be of little help to some guys.

forgot to bid 02-02-2012 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog (Post 1128199)
I'm in the same boat, slightly junior to you if I had to guess. Also strongly disagree with the system as structured. Move the buckets down so that a nice 4 day and maybe a short call puts someone into the second bucket then I'm all for it. I think it's a lost cause at this point. ALPA seems content with the changes, and the company ain't gonna change the size of the buckets until it starts costing them money (junior guys flying ALV while senior guys sit at home with their thumbs up their... Err I mean logging onto Icrew to read their bulletins).

Problem is that people like you and I are trying to make our case to people who have never had to make a decision between being a crappy line holder or a decently senior reserve guy for 5 years of stagnation. This change cuts the legs out of all but the top 10% of reserve guys in a large, overstaffed category like M88B, but I think we're just going to have to suck this one up.

If you take ALPA at their word, this is what the masses wanted. Doesn't make me think it sucks any less.

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forgot to bid 02-02-2012 05:37 PM

Evidently I've gotten creative with the "since I last flew" beard.

iaflyer 02-02-2012 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 1128109)
This. Seniority is more about the people behind you, than the people in front.

OK, we're hiring to replace them then? I'm just saying, we have people retiring and taking early-outs, but yet they still displace off 777. Personally, my system-wide seniority number gets smaller, but so does the pilot group.

Amish Pilot 02-02-2012 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1128203)
Evidently I've gotten creative with the "since I last flew" beard.

I'm sporting a Joe Flacco Fu Manchu, but have to shave it off as I fly on Superbowl Sunday. If the Ravens didn't lose, I would have worn it to the Superbowl.....:eek:

hockeypilot44 02-02-2012 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by Jughead (Post 1128158)
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What? How does that get us further away? In my world, 500 senior guys leaving makes 500+ guys move up.

Let's say 100 pilots are supposed to reach 65 each year for the next 5 years. All 500 of them retire tomorrow. The company doesn't replace any of them. That seems to be the case. We are shrinking. Now the remaining oldest pilot on the list isn't suppose to retire until 2017. Our steady flow of retirements just got further away. How many pilots behind you is more important than how many in front of you. I would like to see us hire before guys ahead of me retire.

80ktsClamp 02-02-2012 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1128203)
Evidently I've gotten creative with the "since I last flew" beard.

You can do better than that, ftb.

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