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acl65pilot 02-08-2012 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by pilotc90a (Post 1131371)
Actually, I just heard one. I usually don't trade in speculation that is so unfounded it isn't even on APC yet, but I couldn't resist. Early out program to be announced in less than two weeks, 73 points to qualify, and rumored to have a medical sweetener to haste exits....

But then again....I did believe in Santa and the Easter Bunny until high school....

If they offered the medical it would be interesting to see how many took it......

tsquare 02-08-2012 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1131379)
Let me get this straight: You are ridiculing me for not being satisfied with our health plan, compensation, and representation.

I guess my goal of attaining significant improvements across the board, and being willing to fight for those improvements, is somehow at odds with your perverse view of a benevolent, God-like Delta, who, with DALPA at its right hand, will always take care of you.

Folks like you are why we'll never be able to negotiate the contract we want.

I don't think that is what he was saying at all, but your reaction is quite understandable... and predictable.

pilotc90a 02-08-2012 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1131375)
I'm guessing the "Points" are; age plus longevity?

Which, if the 73 number is correct, makes it available to anyone age 50+ with 23+ years of service, or a combination thereof, to equal 73 or above.

Geeze, I've got 78 Points...but no Frozen DB plan, or I'd be on a boat in Sint Maaten, if they'd cover the medical premiums!

Sailing a Leopard 46 catamaran between St - YouTube

With Miss BOOM!

That's correct. the previous offers were 60 point plans with a minimum of 10 years of service.

maddogmax 02-08-2012 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by pilotc90a (Post 1131371)
Actually, I just heard one. I usually don't trade in speculation that is so unfounded it isn't even on APC yet, but I couldn't resist. Early out program to be announced in less than two weeks, 73 points to qualify, and rumored to have a medical sweetener to haste exits....

But then again....I did believe in Santa and the Easter Bunny until high school....

Do we get more for every point over 73? If so, I might be rich!:)

Rudder 02-08-2012 12:55 PM

If you receive your regular check via direct deposit, the profit sharing will be distributed the same way, per the article on travel net.

wrt to a supposed early out offer, why would the company offer this to our working group? Having trouble with scheduling with too many over 60 guys on same rotations? Sick calls too high on the larger jets? They would incur very large training costs to replace the early outs so I am having a hard time believing this one to be feasible, at least for now.

alfaromeo 02-08-2012 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1131379)
Let me get this straight: You are ridiculing me for not being satisfied with our health plan, compensation, and representation.

I guess my goal of attaining significant improvements across the board, and being willing to fight for those improvements, is somehow at odds with your perverse view of a benevolent, God-like Delta, who, with DALPA at its right hand, will always take care of you.

Folks like you are why we'll never be able to negotiate the contract we want.

You should probably chill out. You come across as a person that runs completely on anger and emotion. If you want to make a point, you will make it more effective by sticking with the issues and laying off the hyper charged attacks. Most adult business is not conducted on the level of your posts. If you feel like you are the only person that has been affected by the past decade then you are wrong. Some people just handle it better than others.

Timbo 02-08-2012 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by Rudder (Post 1131398)
If you receive your regular check via direct deposit, the profit sharing will be distributed the same way, per the article on travel net.

wrt to a supposed early out offer, why would the company offer this to our working group? Having trouble with scheduling with too many over 60 guys on same rotations? Sick calls too high on the larger jets? They would incur very large training costs to replace the early outs so I am having a hard time believing this one to be feasible, at least for now.


What makes you think they have -any- intention of replacing them? For the third A/E in a row, there will again be displacemets off the 777 Capt. And they have not (yet) replaced the 747 Capts. that were displaced earlier. This March AE should be very telling, as it's meant to cover the summer schedule. Of course it may cary some other weight too, as in, a shot across the bow for Section 6 Openers, to be exchanged in April. Don't think they won't use it to gain some leverage for us to capitualte...something...to save further displacements.

pilotc90a 02-08-2012 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by Rudder (Post 1131398)
If you receive your regular check via direct deposit, the profit sharing will be distributed the same way, per the article on travel net.

wrt to a supposed early out offer, why would the company offer this to our working group? Having trouble with scheduling with too many over 60 guys on same rotations? Sick calls too high on the larger jets? They would incur very large training costs to replace the early outs so I am having a hard time believing this one to be feasible, at least for now.

The 744 fleet is over by so many pilots that almost a 1/3 of the list is reserves. The point is that it is either an early out, or large displacements. Combine that with comments made by executives at the last airline investor conference, about further capacity reductions, there are pieces that could fit together.

One could infer that this was my own private idea, but honestly, I could careless. At least we aren't talking about the "F" word...

Jughead 02-08-2012 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1131388)
I think I'll save the celebrating for when we get a lot more than 4.5% towards restoration.

I really think we'd complain about free beer because it wasn't the right brand.

This has nothing to do with restoration - it's a negotiated benefit. I'll celebrate anything I can get.

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DAL 88 Driver 02-08-2012 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by Jughead (Post 1131409)
I really think we'd complain about free beer because it wasn't the right brand.

This has nothing to do with restoration - it's a negotiated benefit. I'll celebrate anything I can get.

I thought someone would misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm not complaining about the profit sharing check. I'm happy to get it. I was only making the point (which I thought was obvious) that we shouldn't forget that, while nice, the profit sharing is a very small drop in the restoration bucket. We would need almost a 70% increase in our pay to get back to 2004 C2K pay adjusted for published inflation. Just to get pay parity with SWA pilots, our domestic narrowbody pilots would need almost 50%. I know you realize this. I just think "celebrate" is a little too strong a word to describe an appropriate reaction to something that amounts to an additional 4.5%, when we have SO far to go. Would you be celebrating if we get 4.5% increases on the next contract?

Look. I'm just trying to make sure folks are keeping their eye on the ball. Not saying you aren't.


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