Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-10-2012, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Do they think for you too? 
Mongo only pawn.... in game of life.
I still stand by my request for EVERY SINGLE DPA member volunteer to serve on the Strike Preparedness Committee beginning on the week leading up to the exchange of openers.
Want to show leverage for the contract we deserve?
Put your efforts into sending the company (and the MEC/NC) a message that they can hear loud and clear!
FUPM!!!!
02-10-2012, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
Beer but I'm too close and switch'en to Jack.
At my wife's art sale, thank gawd there is a bar close!!!
At my wife's art sale, thank gawd there is a bar close!!!
LOE mañana. Almost done with this training stuff!!! Then I might have to finally go back to work.
02-10-2012, 05:25 PM
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Mongo, a lot of us have been on SPC, and at least 4000 have be on strike. Its one thing to be on a committee, its another to vote for it and than actually do it.
Not saying...better to go to the art sale now.
Not saying...better to go to the art sale now.
02-10-2012, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
^^^^^^^^
This.....but cheerleading is a man law violation.
However, is does speak directly to why Im not making serious posts anymore. I thinks we just feed each other's depression.
Ferd <----has an empty head tonight, but a full beer.
This.....but cheerleading is a man law violation.
However, is does speak directly to why Im not making serious posts anymore. I thinks we just feed each other's depression.
Ferd <----has an empty head tonight, but a full beer.
If you are at the Rusty Spur, I've got a message from an Old Rodeo Clown to pass along, Ferd.
02-10-2012, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Enjoy! None for me tonight. LOE mañana. Almost done with this training stuff!!! Then I might have to finally go back to work.
LOE mañana. Almost done with this training stuff!!! Then I might have to finally go back to work.
02-10-2012, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
It's interesting you pick this airplane, the DC-9-10.
Delta operated only a small fleet of DC-9-10 variants, and if you look at the history of the Delta fleet, we've not been in the less than 75 seat market since the mid 70's.
In today's world, this Delta of old wouldn't last a week. Competition from SWA, JBLU, deregulated fares, and hub frequencies from our competitors would make hash out of us.
Delta operated only a small fleet of DC-9-10 variants, and if you look at the history of the Delta fleet, we've not been in the less than 75 seat market since the mid 70's.
In today's world, this Delta of old wouldn't last a week. Competition from SWA, JBLU, deregulated fares, and hub frequencies from our competitors would make hash out of us.
If the company wants/needs/has a giggity for 255 70-76 seat jets, they can have them or more. But we need to be the ones flying them.
02-10-2012, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Way to go Johnson!
Better head to bed. I can't seem to get away from APC!
02-10-2012, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Friday night should be a beer and under-boob (or, whatever we're allowed to post nowadays) night anyway.
If you are at the Rusty Spur, I've got a message from an Old Rodeo Clown to pass along, Ferd.
If you are at the Rusty Spur, I've got a message from an Old Rodeo Clown to pass along, Ferd.
02-10-2012, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
Heard we are getting a handful more.
TEN
TEN
02-10-2012, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesse
Good gawd it's hard to read your posts sometimes with all the wrong words you put in a paragraph.
Does the word "moderation" mean anything to you? "We got what we wanted"....ahhhhhh, No. More respect for seniority was desired: e.g. make a YS do what a YS should do-Good. Allow a pilot to list a trip he'd rather have if he had to fly, but didn't necessarily want to fly-Good. Put in place a SC system that awards some point to the RAW score-Good. All very good and praiseworthy changes. But there's respecting seniority and then there's using it to abuse your fellow pilots. I could see this as a bitter pill you have to swallow if it weren't for the stagnation that has been here and will be here for the foreseeable future. Unfortunately, the fact is stagnation is here and will be here.
Some say this is what the majority of pilots wanted. Well, I believe that you can get away with that statement to a point because the vast majority did want some changes; changes that came with the LOA. But it's a huge assumption that what we have now is what a vast majority wanted. The sentiment I'm seeing is that the majority think this bucket system with it's current values is not in line with what they envisioned. It still doesn't do anything to prevent a senior pilot with a one point lower RAW score to avoid getting a trip that a junior pilot would otherwise get (when the two are in separate buckets). A system that gave a pilot a consistent and continuous advantage in RAW points regardless of how much flying or SCs he's done would prevent this from happening. But giving a pilot 80 pts from the start is out of line with what I believe many think is right.
The voices you hear now are mostly speaking up for smaller buckets. Trying to quiet them with "This is what the majority wanted" will not work and avoids the concern many have. Furthermore, if you want to change it you have to speak up, so expect to keep hearing it.
Does the word "moderation" mean anything to you? "We got what we wanted"....ahhhhhh, No. More respect for seniority was desired: e.g. make a YS do what a YS should do-Good. Allow a pilot to list a trip he'd rather have if he had to fly, but didn't necessarily want to fly-Good. Put in place a SC system that awards some point to the RAW score-Good. All very good and praiseworthy changes. But there's respecting seniority and then there's using it to abuse your fellow pilots. I could see this as a bitter pill you have to swallow if it weren't for the stagnation that has been here and will be here for the foreseeable future. Unfortunately, the fact is stagnation is here and will be here.
Some say this is what the majority of pilots wanted. Well, I believe that you can get away with that statement to a point because the vast majority did want some changes; changes that came with the LOA. But it's a huge assumption that what we have now is what a vast majority wanted. The sentiment I'm seeing is that the majority think this bucket system with it's current values is not in line with what they envisioned. It still doesn't do anything to prevent a senior pilot with a one point lower RAW score to avoid getting a trip that a junior pilot would otherwise get (when the two are in separate buckets). A system that gave a pilot a consistent and continuous advantage in RAW points regardless of how much flying or SCs he's done would prevent this from happening. But giving a pilot 80 pts from the start is out of line with what I believe many think is right.
The voices you hear now are mostly speaking up for smaller buckets. Trying to quiet them with "This is what the majority wanted" will not work and avoids the concern many have. Furthermore, if you want to change it you have to speak up, so expect to keep hearing it.
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