I don't think you can claim to have determined how the entire bucket system is performing by looking at one category, and without knowledge of what senior pilots desire. Some may want to fly, and others not. The system is transparent--what you see is what you get. If you see a junior pilot with a lower RAW then you have to consider what his schedule has been to that point of the month, and what flying was available...flying that might have been taken by a senior pilot who wanted it. To draw your desired conclusion from a list 11 days into the month without knowing what the senior pilot wanted or did not want is pure conjecture. As for SCs, someone is going to get them if the other guys are flying.

 

Do you really want DALPA to be like a "big business", Slow?

I like efficientcy. I like transparency better.

As to your last point, that's what I've been trying to tell folks here. To get to the top, you need to start at the bottom.


Nu

 

Jesse,

You are correct - which is why I am not coming to any conclusion. I have consistently been saying give it some time and then lets decide.

The point of me posting a couple of categories was to show it is too soon to evaluate the system.

I also agree that some senior pilots may want to fly - which would act to spread out the flying. The one common point is that, all other things being equal, senior guys will have more say in their schedule than junior guys.

I don't think this will hose the junior guys over - but I really don't know how it will play out. But, and its big but, (no pun intended ) if it does harm the junior guys I am all for fixing it.

Scoop

 

You didn't answer my question...

Any example...doesn't have to be big business or the Federal .gov.

 

Scoop, we will in a couple of months i guess, adjusted for ALVs and the like . A one month snap shot is never good and isn't good now, which is why I'm basing my argument on the principle of the system. For example, February is a bad indication of where ATLM88B sits with reserves. This month I want to say we have 35 fewer reserves than January but only 3 pilots less in total in category than January. It really means we have 32 more pilots holding lines. That will change but it's a major reason why there is the perverbial 0 open time.

Looking at the list are you talking about the pilot with the 18 raw? I think I could find the answer but it'd end up putting my name at the bottom of their schedule and that'd blow my identity possibly. One thing that can happen I guess is a pilot can be put on SC and not be used or used for a turn or something and someone senior to them on the list have LC and they get a trip or on SC they got a bigger trip.

So I guess to see how this system works it'd be interesting to see all of the pilots with actual credit excluding having been called out on SC. Given that SC will be seniority based soon seeing the numbers that way would be more indicative of things to come with this system.

We shall see. I am not opposed to buckets but I still vote no on a pure seniority based reserve system even though it will help me fly even less. Most everyone if not all of the people who have complained to me have said the same thing, you want a bucket system thats using RUOs that are between RAW and seniority based? Fine. 80 raw? Not in my category, that'd be a pure seniority system all month.

 

Not entirely true. A junior line on the 7er in NYC consists of uncommutable 10.5 hour 3 day, 2 leg trans cons. Either that or all Mexico City 2 days which are also early departure and late arrival. I'll take reserve over that any month.

 

The system needs to be commuter friendly. Whether someone agrees with commuting or not is irrelevant. The reality of the situation is that Delta has created an airline that is nearly 50/50 WRT commuters/non-commuters. And this trend will continue because Delta continues to close bases, shift airplanes, close categories, etc. This creates commuters. Guys cannot continue to move with each displacement. Houses need to be sold/bought. Spousal jobs need to be transferred. It's not a simple process to just say "Oops, I was displaced again. Well that's ok. We will just quit jobs, yank kids out of their schools, pack up, sell the house, and move to another one." Delta has brought this upon themselves, & I don't give a rats rear end if a guy doesn't like things being tailored to commuters. If he wants to take a hit in pay to help those who are upside down on their reasonable FO houses, then maybe guys can move. Until then, there WILL be commuters at Delta.

BTW, while I quoted you, this post is not directed at you.

 

Well said! !

 

Too bad they can't make satellite/outstation bases in cities that have lots of commuters and/or are former bases.

Seems like there is enough traffic through DFW to have a small base there in at least one category, for example.

 

Nu,

Reasonable theory, but some of the best resolutions that the Admin fought (yet passed over their objections in their home Council) were born on APC, with support coordinated through PM's, and brought to a successful LEC vote (only to be subsequently voted against at the MEC level ... those Reps are no longer in office).

It was funny the first time one of the "APC Mafia" called the MEC Office stating "we want." The phone call was returned instantly with "who the heck is WE?"

Just the power of a dozen members working together is outstanding. Can you imagine what the DPA could accomplish if they focused their efforts in a constructive way?